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Author: FluxFlux Date: Jun 6, 2008 06:10
Hi folks,
I'm curious to learn what specific things you think European cafes
that you have been to have done right or wrong, and what
cafes in the USA you've been to have done right or wrong.
It occurs to me that the only chance for improvement
in the USA is for a free exchange of ideas on this matter,
if American cafe/coffeehouse owners are reading this anyway.
A few ideas:
* It is good to offer a free small biscotto with each coffee
as you see in European cafes, because it is a "little thing
that goes a long way".
* It is good to put mirrors on the walls as you see in
European-style cafes, because it adds more sense
of space; it also acknowledges the reality that humans
go to cafes in part for people-watching.
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Author: Dee DeeDee Dee Date: Jun 6, 2008 09:14
On Jun 6, 9:10 am, Flux yahoo.com> wrote:> Hi folks,
>
> I'm curious to learn what specific things you think European cafes
> that you have been to have done right or wrong, and what
> cafes in the USA you've been to have done right or wrong.
> It occurs to me that the only chance for improvement
> in the USA is for a free exchange of ideas on this matter,
> if American cafe/coffeehouse owners are reading this anyway.
>
> A few ideas:
>
> * It is good to offer a free small biscotto with each coffee
> as you see in European cafes, because it is a "little thing
> that goes a long way".
>
> * It is good to put mirrors on the walls as you see in
> European-style cafes, because it adds more sense
> of space; it also acknowledges the reality that humans
> go to cafes in part for people-watching. ...
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Author: FlasherlyFlasherly Date: Jun 10, 2008 14:34
On Jun 6, 9:10 am, Flux yahoo.com> wrote:>
> I'm curious to learn what specific things you think European cafes
> that you have been to have done right or wrong, and what
> cafes in the USA you've been to have done right or wrong.
> It occurs to me that the only chance for improvement
> in the USA is for a free exchange of ideas on this matter,
> if American cafe/coffeehouse owners are reading this anyway.
American cafes, restaurants, as in most of them and apart specialty
coffee houses otherwise for conscientious people in the know -- pretty
much standard fare for watered-down nondescript stale coffee. Even my
own "brewed coffee", though better for beans I've roasted, isn't
especially noteworthy apart general comparisons. Comparatively, I
don't really think much about the taste of coffee I buy out in
establishments -- between varying a lot over a field I wouldn't think
worth mention. I'll drink anything beyond the lower limit of my
cutoff point, which occurs at really rancid, burnt coffee that tastes
as bad as an engine transmission smells.
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Author: Tony VerhulstTony Verhulst Date: Jun 10, 2008 16:29
Flasherly wrote:
> ...I'll drink anything beyond the lower limit of my
> cutoff point, which occurs at really rancid, burnt coffee that tastes
> as bad as an engine transmission smells.
>
> Drinking coffee for taste doesn't usually occur until made in my
> kitchen with the espresso machine on the countertop.
We have waaay different attitudes toward drinking coffee. Drinking
coffee for taste is the *only* reason that i drink coffee - even if it
means bringing my own home roast into work each day (and it does). I
don't order coffee in restaurants because I'm pretty much guaranteed to
leave it barely touched because I find it unacceptable. YMMV.
Tony V.
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Author: FlasherlyFlasherly Date: Jun 10, 2008 19:47
On Jun 10, 7:29 pm, Tony Verhulst thankyou.com> wrote:>
> We have waaay different attitudes toward drinking coffee. Drinking
> coffee for taste is the *only* reason that i drink coffee - even if it
> means bringing my own home roast into work each day (and it does). I
> don't order coffee in restaurants because I'm pretty much guaranteed to
> leave it barely touched because I find it unacceptable. YMMV.
Noooo -- we don't. I didn't say how much I drink -- a cup may seem
unacceptable to you, although comparatively, to me anyway, it puts my
level of unacceptability closer to you, than, say, drinking the whole
pot, which I've been known to do some distant ages long ago.
Besides, who's to say it's a restaurant. What if I'm hanging out in a
transmission shop? I'm not too proud to deny I had a half a cup at a
dealership the other day, after stopping by late morning to ream out
their title/prep guy. One of those nasty Mr. Coffee things obsequious
to transacting obscure corners placed in most businesses, even if I
wasn't complaining in particular about its horrid taste.
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Author: ssss Date: Jun 13, 2008 03:58
"Tony Verhulst" thankyou.com> wrote in message
news:QO2dnYOC4bjJk9LVnZ2dnUVZ_qbinZ2d@comcast.com...> don't order coffee in restaurants because I'm pretty much guaranteed to
> leave it barely touched because I find it unacceptable. YMMV.
>
> Tony V.
I'll never order espresso from a restaurant, but that's because I know how
it can look inside a restaurant maintained machine, "with their annual
check-ups".
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Author: FlasherlyFlasherly Date: Jun 13, 2008 06:34
On Jun 13, 6:58 am, "ss" wrote:
> "Tony Verhulst" thankyou.com> wrote in message
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> news:QO2dnYOC4bjJk9LVnZ2dnUVZ_qbinZ2d@comcast.com...
>>> don't order coffee in restaurants because I'm pretty much guaranteed to
>> leave it barely touched because I find it unacceptable. YMMV.
>
>> Tony V.
>
> I'll never order espresso from a restaurant, but that's because I know how
> it can look inside a restaurant maintained machine, "with their annual
> check-ups".
I tried my first restaurant shot a few weeks ago. Noticing a colored
chalkboard describing variously sweetened concoctions loosely grouped
for espresso, and beneath, the back of what I suspect may have...
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