http://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9798715-38.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3...

They're actually after binaries but they're going after a provider.
Karl

kfvorwerk@gmail.com wrote:

Well, yes, and we can stop car thieves cold by digging 6-foot
deep trenches across all major streets, too. How about stopping
wire fraud by ripping out the phone wires, and stopping mail
fraud by firing all the postal employees? Hopefully, usenet.com
has good legal counsel. If they actually ARE holding a bunch of
copyrighted material in their newsgroup archives, then they do
have a liability. Proving they do NOT have such material is a
bit harder, but there probably are ways they could have their
archive audited. If they can show, by independent audit that
their archived do NOT contain more than an occasional infringing
file, then they have good grounds for a countersuit of malicious
prosecution. From what I hear on NPR, they are sure asking for
such a suit, and going after an outfit that might have the funds
to strike back should be very interesting. ...

Jon Elson writes:

Define "holding". The DMCA specifically allows it. Usenet continues.
Napster was instantly destroyed. All based on the illusion of
"communication" versus "storage".

Ultimately, the government is not going to enforce the Mafiaa's right to
control invisible magnetization patterns secreted in your computer, any
more than they did the invisible magnetization patterns on VHS tapes
secreted on your 1980s bookshelf. Or photon bundles in fibers or
electrons in cables. It will just be painful to expire the litigious
ownership of antique media, but expire it must.

Copyright only works in tangible, expensive media trafficked in public.
Intangibles and private actions can't be controlled. That's why there's
no copyright enforcement of your memorizing copyrighted works, or the
images inside your eyeballs. RIAA has no means and no right to control
how the air vibrates inside a private home. Or the MPAA how the LCD
pixels flip.

I am dreaming about a world where all movies and songs would be
available for free.

In this world, obviously, there is no place for overpaid actors, fat
middlemen, dull similar movies etc.

I am not sure how this industry would be financed.

I am sure that there would be less stuff produced.

The worst possibility would be proliferation of product
placement/advertising like "honey, you were so great in bed
tonight.. Yes, that's because I bought Viagra from buyviagra.cn". The
better possibility is that the cost of shooting movies would go down a
lot and they would be made because people want to make a statement and
can afford it.

But I am looking forward to the day when we do not pay for privately
viewing content. I do not mind that movie theatres live under the
copyright system, though.

i

...

"a provider" (usenet.com), not "the usenet". Usenet is distributed,
with hundreds (thousands?) of providers. A successful suit against one
would affect the others by establishing precedent, but it would hardly
"... take down the usenet ...".

You trying to stir up trouble, Karl? 8-)

Bob

On Oct 16, 10:39 pm, "kfvorw...@gmail.com" gmail.com>
wrote:

The thing is RIAA does have a case against usenet.com because the
provider is using ALT Binaries and copyrighted material as a selling
point for the service.

Riaa Could likely sink usenet.com but not the hundreds of other usenet
providers

RIAA and MPAA and all those guys havent managed to shut down youtube.
and the distributed nature of usenet protects it as well.

If memory serves a provider allowing its users to post needs to put in
place a process for removing "inappropriate" material once it has been
flagged as copyrighted.

but the onus is on the COPYRIGHT HOLDER to flag the material as
violating.

Brent wrote:

On Oct 17, 8:25 am, Bob Engelhardt comcast.net> wrote:

They just piss me off. They've been screwing artist for the last 80
years or so and are upset when people do the same to them. Check this:
http://www.tauzero.com/Rob_Tow/Ranteur/TheRanteur000.html
http://www.engadget.com/2006/11/09/universal-music-get-fee-for-every-zune-sold/
Karl

On Oct 16, 10:39 pm, "kfvorw...@gmail.com" gmail.com>
wrote:

You think that is bad! Here is an article from the UK. A place is
being sued
because the employees have a radio playing and the music may possibly
be heard by the customers.

Kwik-Fit sued over staff radios

Kwik-Fit had called for the case to be dismissed
A car repair firm has been taken to court accused of infringing
musical copyright because its employees listen to radios at work.

The action against the Kwik-Fit Group has been brought by the
Performing Rights Society which collects royalties for songwriters and
performers.

At a procedural hearing at the Court of Session in Edinburgh a judge
refused to dismiss the

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