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Author: HawkeHawke Date: Feb 22, 2008 20:33
It was reported today that since the year 2000 the state of Ohio has lost
25%% of it's manufacturing jobs. Workers said that they saw machinery in
their factories unbolted from the floor and shipped directly to China. Job
creation in Ohio has been in health care, restaurants, and other service
areas. Is it any wonder why the middle class is hurting? High paying jobs
are being replaced with low paying ones. Bush's trade policies are a key
factor in the loss of manufacturing jobs. That makes me wonder how can
middle class people continue voting for republican candidates when the
policies they put in place directly cause measurable declines in their
lives. Don't tell me Americans aren't stupid.
One other sign of the decline of America is the record number of automobile
repossessions that is now taking place. So not only are record numbers of
people losing their homes but record numbers of people are having their cars
repossessed as well. The signs are all around that the country is in a
decline. How could that be happening when we have had the best and brightest
republicans running the economy for the last decade?
Hawke
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Date: Feb 22, 2008 22:19
> It was reported today that since the year 2000 the state of Ohio has lost
> 25%% of it's manufacturing jobs. Workers said that they saw machinery in
> their factories unbolted from the floor and shipped directly to China. Job
> creation in Ohio has been in health care, restaurants, and other service
> areas. Is it any wonder why the middle class is hurting? High paying jobs
> are being replaced with low paying ones. Bush's trade policies are a key
> factor in the loss of manufacturing jobs. That makes me wonder how can
> middle class people continue voting for republican candidates when the
> policies they put in place directly cause measurable declines in their
> lives. Don't tell me Americans aren't stupid.
>
> One other sign of the decline of America is the record number of
> automobile
> repossessions that is now taking place. So not only are record numbers of
> people losing their homes but record numbers of people are having their
> cars
> repossessed as well. The signs are all around that the country is in a
> decline. How could that be happening when we have had the best and ...
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Author: Steve LusardiSteve Lusardi Date: Feb 22, 2008 22:33
Hawke,
Yes, I can state as an American that SOME Americans ARE stupid. Bush has
nothing to do with the dilemma of job loss in Ohio. In fact, no democrat or
republican can fix this. This is all about that chinaman just outside of
Shanghais that is willing to do your job at 10%% of your cost and the
willingness of the world marketplace to accept his occasional poor quality
over your excellence, because the cost differential is great enough to buy a
replacement at failure time and still be ahead cost wise. It's called
capitalism and I bet even you practice this evil way of life every time you
go to your marketplace to buy anything. Yet here in your case, along with
others like you, you blame this trade imbalance on the current
administration because of your ignorance and thereby help...
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Author: GunnerGunner Date: Feb 23, 2008 04:46
On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:33:01 +0100, "Steve Lusardi"
wrote:
>Hawke,
>Yes, I can state as an American that SOME Americans ARE stupid. Bush has
>nothing to do with the dilemma of job loss in Ohio. In fact, no democrat or
>republican can fix this. This is all about...
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Date: Feb 23, 2008 06:45
>administration because of your ignorance and thereby help propagate the
>fallacy, which ruins MY country. Please, help the few remaining literate
>Americans that may remain and find a course in International Economics,
>which actually may, in time, save our country, because this pollution you
>are spreading definitely hurts.
>Steve
Do I really need a course in International Economics to see that when
I buy some POS from a foreign country, my neighbor looses his job? One
of the problems is that college educated idiots run the accounting
office and good sound management is out the window. It doesn't take a
college education to see that buying foreign made goods hurts America.
I buy what you make so you can buy what I make. I think you learn that
in the 5th grade.
The true problem is greed and only greed.
You'll get a real education when you stand at the gate and shake
everyone's hand and say Good Luck, the last day the plant is open.
That is a true education in International Economics, not some
overpriced college classroom.
What so you do for a living Steve? Can I buy that from a foreign
country instead of paying you a good salary? ...
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Author: F. George McDuffeeF. George McDuffee Date: Feb 23, 2008 08:43
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 20:33:54 -0800, "Hawke"
dslextreme.com> wrote:
>How could that be happening when we have had the best and brightest
>republicans running the economy for the last decade?
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Why do you assume their objective coincide with your objectives
or the objectives of the people, any more than the objectives of
the corporate CEOs and Directors coincide with the objectives of
their stockholders?
Why do you [appear to] assume that the "best and brightest"
democrats will be any different? They all went to the same
schools, they all belong to the same country clubs, they are all
career politicians.
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Author: F. George McDuffeeF. George McDuffee Date: Feb 23, 2008 08:56
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:19:16 -0800, "SteveB"
wrote:
>A Democrat that wants to confiscate oil profits
>that are owned by shareholders who have it in their pension funds?
==============
It does indeed "belong" to the share holders, but history [see
the 1970s] shows that the stock holders will not get even a smell
of these profits as dividends, and the money will evaporate and
not be "reinvested" in anything except grossly excessive
executive bonuses and racing elephant breeding farms with no
prospect of success [Think Zilog and the same renewable energy
scams that are now being re-run.]
I suggest a mandatory dividend payment of at least 75%% of these
excess profits to force this money out of the off-shore tax
havens and into the pockets of the rightful owners [and into the
American economy] and get it out of the hands of the oil-company
executives before it disappears [again].
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Date: Feb 23, 2008 10:27
"F. George McDuffee" wrote
"best and brightest"
> democrats
ROTFLMAO at that oxymoron!
Steve
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Date: Feb 23, 2008 10:26
"F. George McDuffee" wrote in message
news:faj0s3tsc1joii1vtqsv4kuhm1q7rskbdd@4ax.com...> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:19:16 -0800, "SteveB"
> wrote:
>
>>A Democrat that wants to confiscate oil profits
>>that are owned by shareholders who have it in their pension funds?
>
> ==============
> It does indeed "belong" to the share holders, but history [see
> the 1970s] shows that the stock holders will not get even a smell
> of these profits as dividends, and the money will evaporate and
> not be "reinvested" in anything except grossly excessive
> executive bonuses and racing elephant breeding farms with no
> prospect of success [Think Zilog and the same renewable energy
> scams that are now being re-run.]
>
> I suggest a mandatory dividend payment of at least 75%% of these
> excess profits to force this money out of the off-shore tax
> havens and into the pockets of the rightful owners [and into the ...
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Author: F. George McDuffeeF. George McDuffee Date: Feb 23, 2008 13:30
On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 10:26:43 -0800, "SteveB"
wrote:
>I just get upset when people spew that rhetoric about excess profits, and
>they even use the word "confiscate". Yeah, confiscate it and do what with
>it?
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Thats why I suggested a mandated dividend of at least 75%% of the
"profits" with a DRIP [dividend reinvestment program] option if
you trust the management. No confiscation there except from the
point of view of the CEO, just profits distributed to their
rightful owners, i.e. the stockholders.
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