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  the disturbing conspiracy of the bicycling elite         


Author: ComandanteBanana
Date: Aug 29, 2008 14:32

This is no ordinary conspiracy like the aliens abducted Bush on 9/11.
This is the real thing, about real cyclists --or so they say-- about
real issues. I didn't invent it though. Got it from here...

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?p=7368267&posted=1#post7368267

(I make my observations below)

Originally Posted by Bekologist
"There's a disturbing consipracy of 'elite' bicyclists that seek to
retard bicycling accommodations in this country. They leave bicycling
stunted by standing as obstructionists to bike specific
infrastructure, or to such limited application that communities will
continue to be designed with autos first and foremost.

sensible transportation engineers understand the public would like a
lot more than 50mph traffic and 14 foot lanes to get out and consider
bicycling in this country. The bare minimum of planning for bikes is
their stated goal, and it is very anti-bike.

Very disturbing. I got an bulk email from a 'bicycle cooridinator' in
a large Texas city faintly bragging how there'd be no new bike lanes
during his term if he had anything to do with it.
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  Bike Sheds?         


Author: ccarter
Date: Aug 29, 2008 14:31

Hello fellow cyclists,

I'm a trike rider, and my trike takes up a lot of space in my
gararge.

I'd like to build a secure space to store it... Maybe some sort of
backyard bike shed.

I know that this isn't an original idea, and somebody, somewhere, has
done it before. Do you guys have any advice?

Cullen
p.s. I like the idea of a bicycle-garage...
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  the disturbing conspiracy of the bicycling elite         


Author: ComandanteBanana
Date: Aug 29, 2008 14:00

This is no ordinary conspiracy like the alliens abducted Bush on 9/11.
This is the real thing, about real cyclists --or so they say-- about
real issues. I didn't invent it though. Got it from here...

http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php?p=7368267&posted=1#post7368267

(I make my observations below)

Originally Posted by Bekologist
"There's a disturbing consipracy of 'elite' bicyclists that seek to
retard bicycling accommodations in this country. They leave bicycling
stunted by standing as obstructionists to bike specific
infrastructure, or to such limited application that communities will
continue to be designed with autos first and foremost.

sensible transportation engineers understand the public would like a
lot more than 50mph traffic and 14 foot lanes to get out and consider
bicycling in this country. The bare minimum of planning for bikes is
their stated goal, and it is very anti-bike.

Very disturbing. I got an bulk email from a 'bicycle cooridinator' in
a large Texas city faintly bragging how there'd be no new bike lanes
during his term if he had anything to do with it.
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  Re: Do more Americans ride bike on the road or sidewalk?         


Author: ComandanteBanana
Date: Aug 29, 2008 08:16

On Aug 28, 9:38 pm, Daniel Barlow telent.net> wrote:
> ComandanteBanana yahoo.com> writes:
>> It looks like a stupid question.
>
> It's definitely an offtopic question.  The "uk" in uk.rec.cycling is
> for "United Kingdom" (as in "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
> Northern Ireland"), not for the University of Kentucky.
>
> You might have heard of our country in history lessons at school, if
> not more recently.  There probably aren't enough Americans living here
> to make a statistically meaningful survey of whether they ride bike on
> the road or sidewalk (or "pavement" as we like to call it)
>
> Hope this helps.  Be grateful if you could amend the newsgroups line
> on further posts.  Thanks.
>
> -dan

All I need to know about the UK I know. That America beat you in a
war, and that now you are both the best allies around the world.
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  Re: Do more Americans ride bike on the road or sidewalk?         


Author: Pat
Date: Aug 29, 2008 06:45

On Aug 28, 9:38 pm, Daniel Barlow telent.net> wrote:
> ComandanteBanana yahoo.com> writes:
>> It looks like a stupid question.
>
> It's definitely an offtopic question. The "uk" in uk.rec.cycling is
> for "United Kingdom" (as in "the United Kingdom of Great Britain and
> Northern Ireland"), not for the University of Kentucky.
>
> You might have heard of our country in history lessons at school, if
> not more recently. There probably aren't enough Americans living here
> to make a statistically meaningful survey of whether they ride bike on
> the road or sidewalk (or "pavement" as we like to call it)
>
> Hope this helps. Be grateful if you could amend the newsgroups line
> on further posts. Thanks.
>
> -dan
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  Re: Do more Americans ride bike on the road or sidewalk?         


Author: _
Date: Aug 29, 2008 06:09

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:53:04 -0700 (PDT), ComandanteBanana wrote:
> It looks like a stupid question. But we already know how many
> hamburgers we gulp down every year and how many hours we spend
> watching the Idiot’s Box.
>
> Then the issue of what people ride bikes where starts to make sense.
> Why do 99%% of Americans do NOT commute by bike? Are they afraid of the
> road or what?
>

Possibly - due to (or as an alternative explanation for "or what") the
prevalence of laws requiring the wearing of Magic Foam Hats.
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  Re: Do more Americans ride bike on the road or sidewalk?         


Author: bluezfolk
Date: Aug 29, 2008 04:05

On Aug 28, 7:53 pm, ComandanteBanana yahoo.com>
wrote:
> It looks like a stupid question. But we already know how many
> hamburgers we gulp down every year and how many hours we spend
> watching the Idiot’s Box.
>
> Then the issue of what people ride bikes where starts to make sense.
> Why do 99%% of Americans do NOT commute by bike? Are they afraid of the
> road or what?
>
> Of course, everybody rides on the sidewalk where I live. And yet these
> things must be done according to scientific methods and sample
> populations. If the samples are taken where the poor live, no doubt
> the sidewalk wins. But if you go to the green areas and gated
> communities, people enjoy bike paths and then the picture is reversed,
> like black and white.
>
> So while all the data is collected and everything, what’s your best
> gut feeling? ;)
> ...
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  Re: Do more Americans ride bike on the road or sidewalk?         


Author:
Date: Aug 29, 2008 02:21

ComandanteBanana wrote:

My recollections from various parts of America
is that there are no sidewalks in vast swathes
of housing. Sidewalks are for walking,
and Americans don't (sweeping generalisation)
walk.

Hence the issue of riding bicycles
on them is ... tenuous.

I once walked (3 blocks) from a hotel
to a business in Palo Alto.

Given the time difference, I'd woken
early, and had plenty of time.

And the weather was good.

There were no pavements, sorry sidewalks.

A police car drew up and asked me what I was doing.

So walking is considered "unusual", at least by the police.

BugBear
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  Re: Do more Americans ride bike on the road or sidewalk?         


Author: Graham Harrison
Date: Aug 28, 2008 23:27

"ComandanteBanana" yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ad49c469-c241-4bd7-84fe-890b20533e7c@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
It looks like a stupid question. But we already know how many
hamburgers we gulp down every year and how many hours we spend
watching the Idiot’s Box.

Then the issue of what people ride bikes where starts to make sense.
Why do 99%% of Americans do NOT commute by bike? Are they afraid of the
road or what?

Of course, everybody rides on the sidewalk where I live. And yet these
things must be done according to scientific methods and sample
populations. If the samples are taken where the poor live, no doubt
the sidewalk wins. But if you go to the green areas and gated
communities, people enjoy bike paths and then the picture is reversed,
like black and white.

So while all the data is collected and everything, what’s your best
gut feeling? ;)

BIKE FOR PEACE
htttp://webspawner.com/users/bikeforpeace
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  Re: Do more Americans ride bike on the road or sidewalk?         


Author: Jack May
Date: Aug 28, 2008 21:00

"ComandanteBanana" yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ad49c469-c241-4bd7-84fe-890b20533e7c@m45g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>...Then the issue of what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>people ride bikes where starts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to make sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.Why do 99%% of Americans do NOT commute by bike? Are they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>afraid of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..road or what?

(I put in some >>>>>>>>>>> because you make your response difficult to read
because you use crap softeware)

People decide on the mode of their commute by the perceived cost. They
typically choose the lowest cost transportation mode.

The perceived cost has been found to = wage rate * waiting time + half wage
rate * travel time + dollar cost for the trip

A bike has a very high cost of time for most people. They can not afford
the cost of time for a bike compared to the cost of driving.

Bikes and transit are far more expensive than cars for most people so they
don't use bikes or transit for their commute.
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