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Author: George ConklinGeorge Conklin Date: Jul 31, 2006 13:35
"Matthew Russotto" grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:PeGdnYTN8oiN_lDZnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@speakeasy.net...> In article news.zhonka.net>,
> Joshua Putnam phred.org> wrote:>>> If I "conserve" it means I'm shivering in the dark or sweltering in
>>> the heat on my own, rather than being forced to do with it.
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>>Yes, if you refuse to consider improving the efficiency of your HVAC
>>system, you can only reduce input by reducing output.
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> Diminishing returns strike, unless you've got a wheezy old 1950's system.
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>>Your picture of conservation as privation is a false choice, at least
>>when it comes to heating, lighting, air conditioning, or transportation.
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> For lighting, conservation means less light, flickery off-color light,
> or both. For air conditioning it means being hotter in the summer. ...
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Author: Bill BakaBill Baka Date: Jul 31, 2006 16:50
George Conklin wrote:
> "Matthew Russotto" grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
> news:PeGdnYTN8oiN_lDZnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@speakeasy.net...>> In article news.zhonka.net>,
>> Joshua Putnam phred.org> wrote:>>>> If I "conserve" it means I'm shivering in the dark or sweltering in
>>>> the heat on my own, rather than being forced to do with it.
>>> Yes, if you refuse to consider improving the efficiency of your HVAC
>>> system, you can only reduce input by reducing output.
>> Diminishing returns strike, unless you've got a wheezy old 1950's system.
>>
>>> Your picture of conservation as privation is a false choice, at least
>>> when it comes to heating, lighting, air conditioning, or transportation.
>> For lighting, conservation means less light, flickery off-color light,
>> or both. For air conditioning it means being hotter in the summer.
>> For heating, it means being colder in the winter. For transportation,
>> at best it means driving a small car with poor acceleration. ...
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Date: Jul 31, 2006 20:40
On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 14:50:58 GMT, Bill Baka sbcglobal.net>
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>George Conklin wrote:
>> "Matthew Russotto" grace.speakeasy.net> wrote in message
>> news:PeGdnYTN8oiN_lDZnZ2dnUVZ_qqdnZ2d@speakeasy.net...>>> In article
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Author: donquijote1954donquijote1954 Date: Aug 2, 2006 00:03
Bill Funk wrote:
> On 1 Aug 2006 13:54:24 -0700, "donquijote1954"
> hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>The word "eco-terrorist" has been changed around thanks to "Newspeak,"
>>the language spoken in Oceania...
>
> Every time you come up with something remotely reasonable, you then
> come up with inaneties like this to demonstratre that you're really
> nuts.
> --
I do it for show and tell. The tell is the 9 first points and the show
the 10th. I got to throw some satire in there, you know, since I'm
DonQuixote, no?
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Author: donquijote1954donquijote1954 Date: Aug 2, 2006 00:06
Bill Funk wrote:
>>Or you really think they really care about empowering Arabs any more
>>than they want to empower blacks in America? You think Saudi Arabia is
>>next in the list of democratization???
>
> You really are nuts, you know that?
Why, the above statement says the truth. Well, since you have a
rational president that tells you lies, you assume that anyone saying
the truth... ???
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Author: donquijote1954donquijote1954 Date: Aug 2, 2006 00:30
R Brickston wrote:
> The question would be, why are there no new refinieries being built?
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> The environmentalists won't allow it.
They are not needed. Conservation is.
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>>2) The same with developing the more costly to extract oil in the
>>americas.
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> The extraction has to have a cost benefit ratio that is feasible.
> Higher barrel prices actually help in this regard.
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> Not allowed to get any oil sitting there for the taking right on our
> Atlantic shelf. The environmentalists won't allow it.
Only because we have a policy of violation of parks and natural
resources if they stand on the way of "development" (ie. more SUVs).
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>>3) The Iraq war has been about creating chaos and keeping oil off the
>>market. Resolution will not be seen because it is not profitable to see
>>Iraq's oil on the market. This oil on the market...
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Date: Aug 2, 2006 00:39
On 1 Aug 2006 15:06:22 -0700, "donquijote1954"
hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Bill Funk wrote:
>>>Or you really think they really care about empowering Arabs any more
>>>than they want to empower blacks in America? You think Saudi Arabia is
>>>next in the list of democratization???
>>
>> You really are nuts, you know that?
>
>Why, the above statement says the truth. Well, since you have a
>rational president that tells you lies, you assume that anyone saying
>the truth... ???
Lies? Tell us who said the following:
I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological
weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein
has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction
technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has
made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.
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Author: donquijote1954donquijote1954 Date: Aug 2, 2006 01:17
R Brickston wrote:
> On 1 Aug 2006 15:06:22 -0700, "donquijote1954"
> hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>Bill Funk wrote:
>>>>Or you really think they really care about empowering Arabs any more
>>>>than they want to empower blacks in America? You think Saudi Arabia is
>>>>next in the list of democratization???
>>>
>>> You really are nuts, you know that?
>>
>>Why, the above statement says the truth. Well, since you have a
>>rational president that tells you lies, you assume that anyone saying
>>the truth... ???
>
> Lies? Tell us who said the following:
>
> I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological
> weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein ...
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Date: Aug 2, 2006 02:04
On 1 Aug 2006 15:30:26 -0700, "donquijote1954"
hotmail.com> wrote:
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>R Brickston wrote:
>> The question would be, why are there no new refinieries being built?
>>
>> The environmentalists won't allow it.
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>They are not needed. Conservation is.
Really? So, are the bleeding heart liberals driving less than the
conservatives, neo or otherwise?
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Author: Bill FunkBill Funk Date: Aug 2, 2006 02:39
On 1 Aug 2006 15:03:48 -0700, "donquijote1954"
hotmail.com> wrote:
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>Bill Funk wrote:
>> On 1 Aug 2006 13:54:24 -0700, "donquijote1954"
>> hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>The word "eco-terrorist" has been changed around thanks to "Newspeak,"
>>>the language spoken in Oceania...
>>
>> Every time you come up with something remotely reasonable, you then
>> come up with inaneties like this to demonstratre that you're really
>> nuts.
>> --
>
>I do it for show and tell. The tell is the 9 first points and the show
>the 10th. I got to throw some satire in there, you know, since I'm
>DonQuixote, no?
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