http://www.nnseek.com/e/rec.aviation.piloting/ Posts for rec.aviation.piloting Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:05:42 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/ http://www.nnseek.com/img/64.png 64 64 NNSeek http://www.nnseek.com/e/rec.aviation.piloting/experimentals_to_be_banned_to_rural_airports_158775723t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/rec.aviation.piloting/experimentals_to_be_banned_to_rural_airports_158775723t.html 4ax.com>


>Unfortunately, unless one knows the total number of movements of both
>experimental and other aircraft, as well as the absolute numbers of accidents
>for both, the latter alone isn't of much use.

So, you feel the three lives lost in experimentals are more worthy of saving than
the 37 others?

You're a cold son of a bitch.

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I am looking to promote guided flight tours in argentina also for
pilots from the USA. Therefore I am searching top magazines / print
media for general aviation or pilots in America as well an interested
person as representative.

Would you kindly inform me about the largest magazine?

thanks in advance

kind regards

arturo woehler
buenos aires

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]]> Sat, 30 Aug 2008 04:50:42 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/rec.aviation.piloting/experimentals_to_be_banned_to_rural_airports_158659755t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/rec.aviation.piloting/experimentals_to_be_banned_to_rural_airports_158659755t.html > By definition, experimental aircraft have unknown characteristics. It makes
> sense that you'd want to test them out away from heavily populated areas.
> Boeing and other civilian and military manufacturers don't test out their new
> designs at LAX.

I dont know where you get your definitions, but you just proved how much
you DONT know...

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]]> Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:35:27 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/rec.aviation.piloting/experimentals_to_be_banned_to_rural_airports_158638251t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/rec.aviation.piloting/experimentals_to_be_banned_to_rural_airports_158638251t.html att.DELETE.net> wrote in message
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> "T. "Tim" Timothy Haag aka HyoogeUmp56" yahoo.com> wrote in
> message news:48b7324e$0$4243$6e1ede2f@read.cnntp.org...
>> <http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1199-full.html#198676>
>
> 'Clark County Aviation Director Randy Walker said he thinks experimental
> airplanes should be restricted to airports that are located in less
> densely populated areas. "I think the regulatory process on airport
> systems need to be revisited in the coming weeks. I am going to ask to
> meet with the members of our congressional delegation to see if something
> can be done," he said at a news conference. "I do not believe under our
> circumstances that experimental and high-risk aircraft operations, such
> as training and solo flights, belong in an urban airport," he said.'
>

Ban homebuilts and Cessna 150's??? What is he thinking? Isn't he concerned
about aviation safety? This makes no sense at all. Did Mr. Walker learn
NOTHING from 9/11? How could he be so unaware? Isn't the danger presented
by large transport aircraft painfully clear? Does he have any concern for
public safety at all?

Yes, small aircraft are sometimes involved in accidents - but what is the
outcome? Beyond the occupants, it exceedingly rare to involve any innocent
bystanders at all. But what happens when one of the flying WMDs comes down
in a populated area? THOUSANDS DEAD!!!
Can you imagine what would happen if a fully loaded 767 were to experience
problems and crash in to a crowded casino - spewing 5,000 gallons of jet
fuel onto thousands of innocent, unsuspecting people? People that he is
supposed to be protecting!

How can he, or any of us, live with ourselves knowing that this kind of
tragedy isn't just possible, but given time, inevitable?

How can he continue to turn a blind eye to this tremendous threat to human
life?

How can we not DEMAND that these large aircraft be banned from flying over
or landing in the vicinity of a populated area? Clearly, at a MINIMUM, any
aircraft with a gross weight over 30,000 pound should absolutely forbidden
to approach within 50 miles of a populated area. And, I suspect, that if
Mr. Walker were to consider this carefully, he would agree that the only
way that we can be safe is if large aircraft are banned from the sky
completely.

We went to war with Iraq over WMDs, why do we ignore the ones flying over
our heads every day?


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]]> Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:39:16 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/rec.aviation.piloting/experimentals_to_be_banned_to_rural_airports_158545579t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/rec.aviation.piloting/experimentals_to_be_banned_to_rural_airports_158545579t.html
> "T. "Tim" Timothy Haag aka HyoogeUmp56" yahoo.com> wrote in
> message news:48b7324e$0$4243$6e1ede2f@read.cnntp.org...
>> <http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1199-full.html#198676>
>
> 'Clark County Aviation Director Randy Walker said he thinks experimental
> airplanes should be restricted to airports that are located in less densely
> populated areas. "I think the regulatory process on airport systems need to
> be revisited in the coming weeks. I am going to ask to meet with the members
> of our congressional delegation to see if something can be done," he said at
> a news conference. "I do not believe under our circumstances that
> experimental and high-risk aircraft operations, such as training and solo
> flights, belong in an urban airport," he said.'
>
> Seems pretty short-sighted for an Aviation Director. I also think it's naive
> for him to think that anything will be done "in the coming weeks".

It's his ass, he's loolking to dump the problem out of range.

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]]> Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:12:45 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/rec.aviation.piloting/experimentals_to_be_banned_to_rural_airports_158541483t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/rec.aviation.piloting/experimentals_to_be_banned_to_rural_airports_158541483t.html
> First an "experimental" aircraft in aviation talk is just another
> classification. The characteristics may be well known and just doesn't fit
> into any other class.

My impression is that many aircraft are called experimental in order to get
around certain troublesome regulations.

> Secondly, I have personally flown a number of experimental Boeing aircraft
> into LAX when I worked for the flight test group there. I believe B747-100
> s/n 1 is still classified as experimental. And I flew B401, 2 and 3 (the
> first 3 747-400 designated a/c). They too were classified as experimental
> and flew into a lot of large airports with heavy population.

How many hours had they flown elsewhere before they visited those large
airports?

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]]> Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:55:05 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/rec.aviation.piloting/experimentals_to_be_banned_to_rural_airports_158499755t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/rec.aviation.piloting/experimentals_to_be_banned_to_rural_airports_158499755t.html > "T. "Tim" Timothy Haag aka HyoogeUmp56" yahoo.com> wrote in
> message news:48b7324e$0$4243$6e1ede2f@read.cnntp.org...
>> <http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/1199-full.html#198676>
>
> 'Clark County Aviation Director Randy Walker said he thinks experimental
> airplanes should be restricted to airports that are located in less densely
> populated areas. "I think the regulatory process on airport systems need to
> be revisited in the coming weeks. I am going to ask to meet with the members
> of our congressional delegation to see if something can be done," he said at
> a news conference. "I do not believe under our circumstances that
> experimental and high-risk aircraft operations, such as training and solo
> flights, belong in an urban airport," he said.'
>
> Seems pretty short-sighted for an Aviation Director. I also think it's naive
> for him to think that anything will be done "in the coming weeks".
>
>

Other dangerous flight this yahoo wants banned from urban areas,
"training and solo flights."

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]]> Fri, 29 Aug 2008 06:11:06 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/rec.aviation.piloting/experimentals_to_be_banned_to_rural_airports_158492075t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/rec.aviation.piloting/experimentals_to_be_banned_to_rural_airports_158492075t.html netscape.com.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article , "Mike" microsoft.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Nobody wants to give up their "right" to
>> drive with a cell phone, ignore speed limits, run stop lights, etc. even
>> though such activity puts other people at risk.
>
> "drive with a cell phone" .... ohmygawd. Hey, what about drive with
> one of those GPS thingies, or changing CDs or scanning thru XM radio
> or....?
> Maybe we should require a sterile car so that nothing, absolutely nothing
> can distract the driver.
>
> (yep - this crusade about talking on a cellphone is a hot button for me).

Crusade all you want. Argue from silly extremes all you want. Talking on
the phone while driving increases risk of having a serious accident by 4-5
times. But you prove my point beautifully. People don't really give a
rat's arse about being safer if it inconvieniences them, even if the
inconvienience is slight.

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]]> Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:17:29 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/rec.aviation.piloting/experimentals_to_be_banned_to_rural_airports_158443947t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/rec.aviation.piloting/experimentals_to_be_banned_to_rural_airports_158443947t.html airport.
A Piper Navajo departed VGT and shortly after departure he called the tower
that he was returning with a rough running engine. The pilot was solo, no
pax. Witnesses on the ground reported the aircraft was on fire and fire
crews were responding to meet the aircraft at the airport when it crashed
short of the runway in a local neighborhood. There were no fatalities to
people on the ground.

BT

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