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Author: Robert M. GaryRobert M. Gary Date: Jun 30, 2008 22:27
On Jun 30, 1:08 pm, gatt wrote:
> Robert M. Gary wrote:
>> On Jun 30, 11:16 am, Larry Dighera att.net> wrote:>
>>>Are you intimating that Obama's ATC user fee view is aligned with
>>>Bush's?
>
>> I think we all just assume that taxes are going to be crippling under
>> Obama. He's already started warning us by saying he's increasing the
>> social security tax. That's going to hit many of us.
>
> Won't hit me. By the time I'm eligible for the Socialist Security I've
> been paying into all my life, it'll be gone.
Me too but the point is that Obama has pre-announced that the payroll
tax we are paying will increase.
-Robert
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Author: Robert M. GaryRobert M. Gary Date: Jun 30, 2008 22:28
On Jun 30, 1:19 pm, gatt wrote:
> Robert M. Gary wrote:
>> On Jun 30, 12:19 pm, "Mike" microsoft.com> wrote:
>> Oh, I should have known you're a liberal with a limited knowledge of
>> economics.>
>> -Robert, MBA
>
> Aw, Christ. Not only a Calfornian, but an MBA. They know EVERYTHING.
>
> "The criticism we hear most has to do with arrogance," says Bill
> Boulding, associate dean for the daytime MBA Program at Duke
> University's Fuqua School of Business, "essentially that students leave
> MBA programs thinking they should be CEO and tell everyone what to do
> when in fact they may not even be prepared to do the job they've taken.""
>
> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m4070/is_227/ai_n21067809
>
> :P
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Author: MikeMike Date: Jun 30, 2008 22:39
"Robert M. Gary" gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 30, 12:19 pm, "Mike" microsoft.com> wrote:>> "Robert M. Gary" gmail.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:a812ee50-c56e-4a1b-8d5b-b050815365f7@w5g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>> As far as the user fees debate goes, someone is going to pay for
>> aviation.
>> The only question is who that someone is going to be.>
> We're paying for it now (including an aviation fund surplus) so I
> guess your point is that we should pay for it twice.
That would be a poor guess.
But since you care to guess my views on the subject, I'll take a crack at
yours. You apparently support McCain. McCain supports user fees. So I
guess your point is that we should pay for it twice.
Furthermore, your attempts at twisting your political views towards the
subject of aviation are truly pathetic. McCain heavily supports user fees,
period. His record and statements are quite clear on the subject.
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Author: MikeMike Date: Jun 30, 2008 22:40
> On Jun 30, 1:19 pm, gatt wrote:
>> Robert M. Gary wrote:
>>> On Jun 30, 12:19 pm, "Mike" microsoft.com> wrote:
>>> Oh, I should have known you're a liberal with a limited knowledge of
>>> economics.>>
>>> -Robert, MBA
>>
>> Aw, Christ. Not only a Calfornian, but an MBA. They know EVERYTHING.
>>
>> "The criticism we hear most has to do with arrogance," says Bill
>> Boulding, associate dean for the daytime MBA Program at Duke
>> University's Fuqua School of Business, "essentially that students leave
>> MBA programs thinking they should be CEO and tell everyone what to do
>> when in fact they may not even be prepared to do the job they've
>> taken.""
>>
>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m4070/is_227/ai_n21067809 ...
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Author: Robert M. GaryRobert M. Gary Date: Jun 30, 2008 22:43
On Jun 30, 1:39 pm, "Mike" microsoft.com> wrote:
>> We're paying for it now (including an aviation fund surplus) so I
>> guess your point is that we should pay for it twice.
>
> That would be a poor guess.
You really need to educate yourself on the subject of GA funding. If
you did you would realize that GA pays more in tax than we get from
the system. Those that say we are not don't realize that a Cessna uses
less services than a 747. In anycase, fuel tax is easier and cheaper
to collect than reading credit card numbers over the air. Not sure if
you are actually interested in facts though, its not clear from your
post.
> But since you care to guess my views on the subject, I'll take a crack at
> yours. You apparently support McCain. McCain supports user fees. So I
> guess your point is that we should pay for it twice.
I don't recall saying that. I'm voting for John Galt.
-Robert
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Author: MikeMike Date: Jun 30, 2008 22:49
> On Jun 30, 1:08 pm, gatt wrote:
>> Robert M. Gary wrote:
>>> On Jun 30, 11:16 am, Larry Dighera att.net> wrote:>>
>>>>Are you intimating that Obama's ATC user fee view is aligned with
>>>>Bush's?
>>
>>> I think we all just assume that taxes are going to be crippling under
>>> Obama. He's already started warning us by saying he's increasing the
>>> social security tax. That's going to hit many of us.
>>
>> Won't hit me. By the time I'm eligible for the Socialist Security I've
>> been paying into all my life, it'll be gone.
>
> Me too but the point is that Obama has pre-announced that the payroll
> tax...
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Author: MikeMike Date: Jun 30, 2008 22:53
> On Jun 30, 1:39 pm, "Mike" microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>> We're paying for it now (including an aviation fund surplus) so I
>>> guess your point is that we should pay for it twice.
>>
>> That would be a poor guess.
>
> You really need to educate yourself on the subject of GA funding. If
> you did you would realize that GA pays more in tax than we get from
> the system. Those that say we are not don't realize that a Cessna uses
> less services than a 747. In anycase, fuel tax is easier and cheaper
> to collect than reading credit card numbers over the air. Not sure if
> you are actually interested in facts though, its not clear from your
> post.
Why do you continue to go down the road of pretending I support user fees?
Is silly strawman rhetoric the best you have?
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Author: Robert M. GaryRobert M. Gary Date: Jun 30, 2008 23:02
On Jun 30, 1:49 pm, "Mike" microsoft.com> wrote:>> On Jun 30, 1:08 pm, gatt wrote:
>>> Robert M. Gary wrote:
>>>> On Jun 30, 11:16 am, Larry Dighera att.net> wrote:>
>>>>>Are you intimating that Obama's ATC user fee view is aligned with
>>>>>Bush's?
>
>>>> I think we all just assume that taxes are going to be crippling under
>>>> Obama. He's already started warning us by saying he's increasing the
>>>> social security tax. That's going to hit many of us.
>
>>> Won't hit me. By the time I'm eligible for the Socialist Security I've
>>> been paying into all my life, it'll be gone. ...
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Author: Steven P. McNicollSteven P. McNicoll Date: Jun 30, 2008 23:24
Mike wrote:
>
> For a self-described economic expert, you sure have some weak points.
>
> First, Obama said no such thing. Next, SS can't possibly be "gone"
> because you will always have people paying into the system. The only
> thing that has a potential to be "gone" is the SS trust fund, which
> was a bad idea given to us by Reagan in the first place. Even if the
> SS trust fund is "gone", FICA will still cover at least 75%% of SS
> payouts, even if all the doom-and-gloom predictions about SS come
> true decades from now.
Actually, SS was a bad idea given to us by FDR in the first place.
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Author: MikeMike Date: Jun 30, 2008 23:25
> On Jun 30, 1:49 pm, "Mike" microsoft.com> wrote:>> "Robert M. Gary" gmail.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:bfe4ed0e-aa72-4e12-b399-c7ca83521593@v1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> On Jun 30, 1:08 pm, gatt wrote:
>>>> Robert M. Gary wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 30, 11:16 am, Larry Dighera att.net> wrote:>>
>>>>>>Are you intimating that Obama's ATC user fee view is aligned with
>>>>>>Bush's?
>>
>>>>> I think we all just assume that taxes are going to be crippling
>>>>> under
>>>>> Obama. He's already started warning us by saying he's increasing ...
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