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  Re: Air buss loss at Paris Airshow?         


Author: Greg Farris
Date: Dec 11, 2006 22:03

In article tornado.texas.rr.com>, don't.mail.me@no.way
says...
>
>Anyone remember the details???
>

FROM AIRLINERS.NET :

The Air France A320 that was written off at Habsheim was being operated on a
public transport flight by Air France at the time of the crash. The aircraft
had been used in flight testing, but had been delivered to Air France several
days before the accident, and was involved in a promotional flight when it
crashed. The A320 was in service operating revenue flights at the time of the
accident, F-CFKC was in fact Air France's 3rd A320.

Most importantly, the fly-by-wire did not "lock up" - and the plane did not
"think" it was landing and prevent the application of TOGA power. The
accident was classic pilot error, no fault was found with the FBW system...

Some findings of the accident investigation:

• The captain had participated as Air France's technical pilot in
developmental test flying on the A320, during which manoeuvres were carried
out beyond the normal operational limitations. This could...
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  Re: Air buss loss at Paris Airshow?         


Author: Jay Honeck
Date: Dec 11, 2006 13:48

> Anyone remember the details???

The video of this crash (from a "Front Line" PBS special) really lit up
our aviation video site, with comments and conflicting opinions coming
in from pilots literally all over the world. My site's technical
advisor (a retired RAF officer) was kept busy with this one!

See it here:
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/Airbus320_trees.mpg

Also, you can read some of the comments here:
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/autoland_crash.htm

and here:
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/autoland_crash2.htm

See all 300+ aviation videos here:
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/aviation_videos.htm
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
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  Re: Cold is Good!         


Author: AJ
Date: Dec 11, 2006 13:43

"Rocketeer" came, went and was forgotten. Maybe unjustly so.

AJ
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  Re: Taking newbies flying...         


Author: Dan Luke
Date: Dec 11, 2006 13:25

"Dudley Henriques" wrote:
> You have broken the code for flying with newbies. It's really very simple
> and every pilot should do it, but unfortunately, pilots not being perfect,
> sometimes forget.
> The main thing about first...
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  Re: Anyone see the new video on Avweb???         


Author: Thomas Borchert
Date: Dec 11, 2006 13:24

Darkwing,
> though I wouldn't fly that
> death trap!
>

And with that thoughtful assessment, I'm sure you can tell us how many
people actually died in a CriCri? Why don't you try THINKING before
making sloppy remarks so harmful to GA?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
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  Re: Air buss loss at Paris Airshow?         


Author: Thomas Borchert
Date: Dec 11, 2006 13:20

Jon,

As James says. A one-button-push to set the plane up for go around with
max power.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
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  Re: Plane crashes into tree         


Author: Ron Lee
Date: Dec 11, 2006 13:08

Xmnushal8y@aol.communicate wrote:
>"Neil Gould" myplaceofwork.com> wrote in message
>>> I particularly liked the "Learn to fly here" sign.
>
>"gatt" gfy.com> wrote:
>> It must have been a hairy crash, 'cause my ribs hurt!!
>
>Having watched the salvage people haul my airplane away (they are NOT
>careful in any way whatsoever), I would have liked to see how they
>handled this one in the tree ... wonder how much is left of the tree.

I was doing a runup while it was partially removed. Today I noticed
that they cut off what may have been the trunk that held up the left
wing. Since I was going flying I did not stop to watch the process.
Since the plane was totaled anyway any additional damage was moot.
However, the engine may have been ok.

Ron Lee
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  Re: Lessons learned from the Oregon tragedy         


Author: gatt
Date: Dec 11, 2006 12:52

"Matt Whiting" epix.net> wrote in message
news:kaMeh.1269$Oc.105497@news1.epix.net...
>> For sure, I'd have walked down the road.
>
> Until you became delirious from hypothermia... At that point, you don't
> know what you might do.

Search and rescue crews mentioned the hypothermic paradox where, when people
start really losing it to the cold, they paradoxically start shedding their
clothing...

-c
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  Re: Lessons learned from the Oregon tragedy         


Author: gatt
Date: Dec 11, 2006 12:50

"Matt Whiting" epix.net> wrote in message
news:59Meh.1268$Oc.105515@news1.epix.net...
>
> Yes, all are things that should have been done. However, I still am not
> convinced that the blanket advice to stay with the vehicle is correct.
> With proper clothing (not tennis shoes), I can easily walk 10 miles a day
> in pretty rough terrain

The mother should be heralded for her heroism by feeding the children even
though she was probably starved herself. Mr. Kim was likely already
physiologically compromised; if Mrs. Kim was taking care of the children, he
was probably the one removing the tires and working outside. If so, he may
have been close to physical exhaustion and hypothermia when he made the
decision to walk, and again when he left the road.

Meanwhile, at this very moment, there are search and rescue people trying to
evacuate climbers from MT. HOOD IN FREAKIN' DECEMBER.
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  Re: Anyone see the new video on Avweb???         


Author:
Date: Dec 11, 2006 12:44

"Darkwing" yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:I7-dnfNNR76YLODYnZ2dnUVZ_u2mnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
> news:12nr4upsr0jr3b6@news.supernews.com...
>>
>> "Darkwing" yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:He6dneBvsLxkEuDYnZ2dnUVZ_sOknZ2d@giganews.com...
>>> World's smallest twin engine plane, very cool though I wouldn't fly that
>>> death trap!
>>>
>>> http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/763-full.html
>>>
>>> -----------------------------------------
>>> DW
>>>
>>
>> You know that's what a lot of folks say about 172s and Archers.
>
> ...
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