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Author: MichaelMichael Date: Jun 20, 2008 16:54
On Jun 20, 7:45 am, Stealth Pilot aeroplanes.com.au>
wrote:> or I can fly a certified australian
> aircraft in american airspace on my australian licence under
> reciprocal ICAO arrangements.
Well, that's the point. If I read this correctly (Peter, please
clarify) you won't be able to do that anymore unless you meet their
requirements. For example, say you're a US private pilot flying an N-
registered aircraft over there, and you have an instrument rating and
some additional instrument time (say 80 hours total) - guess what, you
don't meet their requirements and can't fly IFR, ICAO or no ICAO. And
if you don't have 100 hours, you can't fly at all.
Michael
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Author: Stealth PilotStealth Pilot Date: Jun 21, 2008 13:44
On Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:47:20 +0100, Peter nospam9876.com>
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>Michael thisoldairplane.com> wrote
>>>> or I can fly a certified australian
>>> aircraft in american airspace on my australian licence under
>>> reciprocal ICAO arrangements.
>>
>>Well...
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Author: Dylan SmithDylan Smith Date: Jun 23, 2008 11:01
On 2008-06-20, Peter nospam9876.com> wrote:> Europe will *somehow* work this only against its own residents and how
> this is determined is not yet known. This would be worked out by the
> lawyers drafting the final regulation in years to come.
Not necessarily; if people respond to this draft, then EASA have been
shown to listen. They listened over the Single Skies draft (which would
otherwise us having paying enroute charges, even for VFR without ever
contacting ATC once) and dropped those proposals, maintaining the status
quo (IFR airway charges for aircraft only >2 metric tonnes). EASA *do*
listen. *Please* write to them. I certainly will be. They are much
better at listening AND acting on what pilots tell them than our own CAA
(contrast the Single Skies consultation with the CAA's Mode-S
consultation).
This document is just a draft, and EASA may well change it if you point
out the various unintended consequences.
I'm certainly going to write because I want to see the status quo of day
VFR privileges being allowed to ICAO PPL holders in G-reg aircraft - or
better still, any European member registration.
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Author: MichaelMichael Date: Jun 23, 2008 18:39
On Jun 20, 2:47 pm, Peter nospam9876.com> wrote:>IMHO it is completely impossible for Europe to stop "true foreigners"
>e.g. American pilots flying into European airspace on say an FAA
>PPL/IR, in their N-reg planes. That would be a massive breach of ICAO
>privileges.
I suppose you're right. I was sort of hoping they would try it.
There would be massive backlash, and it would likely kill the entire
idea.
> Europe will *somehow* work this only against its own residents and how
> this is determined is not yet known. This would be worked out by the
> lawyers drafting the final regulation in years to come.
Well, that's something that they CAN do. ICAO permits any signatory
nation to reject the licensing of one of it's own nationals by another
signatory, for purposes of flight over its own territory. So
basically, if we treat EU as a nation (and that's not too far a
stretch, given the common citizenship and aviation licensing scheme -
I think it would certainly pass muster with ICAO) then they can do
whatever they want with regard to EU nationals flying under foreign-
issued credentials.
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Author: Dylan SmithDylan Smith Date: Jun 24, 2008 11:18
On 2008-06-23, Peter nospam9876.com> wrote:> Things have to be done in this order. First you hit people hard and
> only then talk about concessions.
Sounds like a lesson learned from the UK government - start with
something totally unaaceptable (holding suspects for 90 days without
charge) and then scale it back until the acceptable level is found, with
those finding favour doing so 'because it's not as bad as 90 days'.
I heard on the Radio 4 news last night that some chief terrorism wonk
has now thought about 'light planes being used to drop terrorist bombs'
because there are so many light planes and 'they aren't regulated much'.
Sigh.
--
From the sunny Isle of Man.
Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid.
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Author: Larry DigheraLarry Dighera Date: Jun 24, 2008 16:08
On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:56:33 +0100, Peter nospam9876.com>
wrote in 4ax.com>:
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>>I heard on the Radio 4 news last night that some chief terrorism wonk
>>has now thought about 'light planes being used to drop terrorist bombs'
>>because there are so many light planes and 'they aren't regulated much'.
>>Sigh.
>
>Yes, this is on the front pages of the national papers today.
>Specifically that 'light jets' could be used as bombs, but they are
>having a go at all of GA. It is somebody called Lord Carlisle.
It sounds like a poorly disguised airline industry attempt to inhibit
GA jets from skimming off the lucrative 1st/business class pax.
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Author: Peter DohmPeter Dohm Date: Jun 24, 2008 16:44
"Larry Dighera" att.net> wrote in message
news:3nv1641odmhs8flidj1h0ik8r2v5rafotl@4ax.com...> On Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:56:33 +0100, Peter nospam9876.com>
> wrote in 4ax.com>:
>>>
>>>I heard on the Radio 4 news last night that some chief terrorism wonk
>>>has now thought about 'light planes being used to drop terrorist bombs'
>>>because there are so many light planes and 'they aren't regulated much'.
>>>Sigh.
>>
>>Yes, this is on the front pages of the national papers today.
>>Specifically that 'light jets' could be used as bombs, but they are
>>having a go at all of GA. It is somebody called Lord Carlisle.
>
> It sounds like a poorly disguised airline industry attempt to inhibit
> GA jets from skimming off the lucrative 1st/business class...
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Author: Scott MooreScott Moore Date: Jun 25, 2008 21:38
Peter wrote:
> A lot of "EU business" is concerned with symbolism. Some of it is
> basically good, like the consumer protection laws (unless you are a
> manufacturer ;) ). But a lot of what we see here is an emotional
> reaction to America, which many self proclaimed European intellectuals
> regard as the land of John Wayne, and George Kennedy in the cowboy
> "airline disaster" movies where he yanks the throttles of that 707
> stuck in snow :) This means that N-reg business jets are much more
> provocative than little N-reg piston planes. They are certainly far
> more visible. As are all the other jets on Bermuda, Cayman, Aruba and
> similar registers.
Asia looked at America, wanted to emulate our success, and saw it as
due to armies of entrepreneurs.
Europe looked at America, wanted to emulate our success, and saw it
as due to armies of regulators.
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Author: Orval FairbairnOrval Fairbairn Date: Jun 25, 2008 22:54
In article comcast.com>,
Scott Moore moorecad.com> wrote:
> Peter wrote:
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>> A lot of "EU business" is concerned with symbolism. Some of it is
>> basically good, like the consumer protection laws (unless you are a
>> manufacturer ;) ). But a lot of what...
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