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Author: MikeMike Date: May 9, 2008 13:28
The Weekly Standard
The Swedish Model
How to build a jet fighter.
by Reuben F. Johnson
04/30/2008 11:45:00 PM
Linköping, Sweden
ON WEDNESDAY APRIL 23, Sweden's Saab Aerospace rolled out what may
become the fighter aircraft that sets the standard for the future of
the military aerospace business. What Saab is calling the "Next-
Generation Gripen"
(Gripen N/G for short), is a substantially modernized version of its
JAS-39C/D model, the fighter currently in service or in the process of
being delivered to the air forces of Sweden, Hungary, the Czech
Republic, South Africa, and Thailand.
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Author: Douglas EaglesonDouglas Eagleson Date: May 9, 2008 13:48
On May 9, 1:28Â pm, Mike yahoo.com> wrote:> The Weekly Standard
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> The Swedish Model
> How to build a jet fighter.
> by Reuben F. Johnson
> 04/30/2008 11:45:00 PM
>
> Linköping, Sweden
> ON WEDNESDAY APRIL 23, Sweden's Saab Aerospace rolled out what may
> become the fighter aircraft that sets the standard for the future of
> the military aerospace business. What Saab is calling the "Next-
> Generation Gripen"
> (Gripen N/G for short), is a substantially modernized version of its
> JAS-39C/D model, the fighter currently in service or in the process of
> being delivered to the air forces of Sweden, Hungary, the Czech
> Republic, South Africa, and Thailand.
>
> As fighter aircraft go, the Gripen does not have the look of a super-
> stealthy, new-age marvel like the two most recent Lockheed Martin (LM) ...
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Author: Douglas EaglesonDouglas Eagleson Date: May 9, 2008 14:13
On May 9, 1:48Â pm, Douglas Eagleson yahoo.com> wrote:> On May 9, 1:28Â pm, Mike yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>> The Weekly Standard
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>> The Swedish Model
>> How to build a jet fighter.
>> by Reuben F. Johnson
>> 04/30/2008 11:45:00 PM
>
>> Linköping, Sweden
>> ON WEDNESDAY APRIL 23, Sweden's Saab Aerospace rolled out what may
>> become the fighter aircraft that sets the standard for the future of
>> the military aerospace business. What Saab is calling the "Next-
>> Generation Gripen"
>> (Gripen N/G for short), is a substantially modernized version of its
>> JAS-39C/D model, the fighter currently in service or in the process of
>> being delivered to the air forces of Sweden, Hungary, the Czech ...
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Author: Ed RasimusEd Rasimus Date: May 9, 2008 14:45
On Fri, 9 May 2008 13:48:55 -0700 (PDT), Douglas Eagleson
yahoo.com> wrote:
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>This is a true canard design and as such it has a fundamental
>superiority built in. As a canard is rolled inverted it has a basic
>stall capacity to recover the failed descent.
You mean that you can exceed 90 degrees of bank and roll all the way
inverted without the lifties falling off the wing? How does it know
it's inverted?
>
>A roll to a dive is a safe and highly envelope extending ability over
>the USA jets.
You mean USA jets can't roll into a dive?
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>It can literally out speed all USA jets as it goes to the deck.
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Author: Dean A. MarkleyDean A. Markley Date: May 9, 2008 15:22
Ed Rasimus wrote:
> On Fri, 9 May 2008 13:48:55 -0700 (PDT), Douglas Eagleson
> yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> This is a true canard design and as such it has a fundamental
>> superiority built in. As a canard is rolled inverted it has a basic
>> stall capacity to recover the failed descent.
>
> You mean that you can exceed 90 degrees of bank and roll all the way
> inverted without the lifties falling off the wing? How does it know
> it's inverted?
>> A roll to a dive is a safe and highly envelope extending ability over
>> the USA jets.
>
> You mean USA jets can't roll into a dive?
>> It can literally out speed all USA jets as it goes to the deck.
>
> Speed is speed. Up, down or level.
>> And in dogfights where unknown missles are the issue, the deck is
>> where the safe place is. A good pilot could shred the YF-22 in this ...
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Author: Douglas EaglesonDouglas Eagleson Date: May 9, 2008 15:27
On May 9, 2:45Â pm, Ed Rasimus verizon.net> wrote:> On Fri, 9 May 2008 13:48:55 -0700 (PDT), Douglas Eagleson
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> yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>This is a true canard design and as such it has a fundamental
>>superiority built in. Â As a canard is rolled inverted it has a basic
>>stall capacity to recover the failed descent.
>
> You mean that you can exceed 90 degrees of bank and roll all the way
> inverted without the lifties falling off the wing? How does it know
> it's inverted?
>
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>>A roll to a dive is a safe and highly envelope extending ability over
>>the USA jets.
>
> You mean USA jets can't roll into a dive?
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Author: Douglas EaglesonDouglas Eagleson Date: May 9, 2008 15:35
On May 9, 3:27Â pm, Douglas Eagleson yahoo.com> wrote:> On May 9, 2:45Â pm, Ed Rasimus verizon.net> wrote:
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>>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 13:48:55 -0700 (PDT), Douglas Eagleson
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>>>This is a true canard design and as such it has a fundamental
>>>superiority built in. Â As a canard is rolled inverted it has a basic
>>>stall capacity to recover the failed descent.
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>> You mean that you can exceed 90 degrees of bank and roll all the way
>> inverted without the lifties falling off the wing? How does it know
>> it's inverted?
>
>>>A roll to a dive is a safe and highly envelope extending ability over ...
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Author: eyeballeyeball Date: May 9, 2008 15:44
On May 9, 6:27 pm, Douglas Eagleson yahoo.com> wrote:> On May 9, 2:45 pm, Ed Rasimus verizon.net> wrote:
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>>> On Fri, 9 May 2008 13:48:55 -0700 (PDT), Douglas Eagleson
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>>>This is a true canard design and as such it has a fundamental
>>>superiority built in. As a canard is rolled inverted it has a basic
>>>stall capacity to recover the failed descent.
>
>> You mean that you can exceed 90 degrees of bank and roll all the way
>> inverted without the lifties falling off the wing? How does it know
>> it's inverted?
>
>>>A roll to a dive is a safe and highly envelope extending ability over
>>>the USA jets.
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Author: Richard CasadyRichard Casady Date: May 9, 2008 15:55
On Fri, 09 May 2008 21:45:15 GMT, Ed Rasimus
verizon.net> wrote:
>And what will happen when someone invents a doppler radar that doesn't
>see ground clutter?
I was under the impression that look down, shoot down had been around
for many years.
Casady
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Author: DanDan Date: May 9, 2008 16:57
Douglas Eagleson wrote:
The russian mig-30 that literally stops in mid
> flight and recovers, is another example. A forward canard allows this.
>
The "cobra" maneuver is not a very good combat move. Do a simple
free body diagram to see what happens to acceleration and velocity
vectors. The MiG is a sitting duck throughout the maneuver and takes a
long time to recover.
Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
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