On 11/07/11 01:40, Tankfixer wrote:
> In article
, - William Black
> blackusenet@gmail.com spouted !>>
>> On 10/07/11 20:43, Tankfixer wrote:
>>> In article
, - William Black
>>> blackusenet@gmail.com spouted !>>>>
>>>> On 07/07/11 14:55, deemsbill@
aol.com wrote:
>>>>> On Jul 6, 1:25 am, Kerryn Offord
uclive.ac.nz> wrote:>>>>>> On 7/6/2011 1:05 PM, frank wrote:
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>>>>>>> On Jul 4, 7:49 pm, Kerryn Offord
uclive.ac.nz> wrote:>>>>>>>> On 7/5/2011 10:59 AM, Tankfixer wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> In article
, - Kerryn Offord kao16
>>>>>>>>> @uclive.ac.nz spouted !>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 7/5/2011 8:17 AM, frank wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 9:19 pm, Kerryn Offord
uclive.ac.nz> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/4/2011 1:03 PM, Matt Wiser wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 5:41 pm, "deemsb...@
aol.com"
aol.com> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 4:59 pm, "Jeffrey Hamilton" wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deemsb...@
aol.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 11:51 am, Tankfixer
gmail.coom> wrote:>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 3, 10:40 am, Dan
AOL.COM> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2011 7:47 AM, Ray O'Hara wrote:
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lava.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:06pv079d32n9pm1q28hjamu9l9aoinrnvm@4ax.com...>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 2 Jul 2011 18:35:19 -0700 (PDT), Matt Wiser
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yahoo.com> wrote:>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 2, 1:45 pm, "Dr. Vincent Quin, Ph.D."
coldine.edu>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> red...@
lava.net wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMO, the indefinite incarceration of the young pfc is immoral.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I say schedule a trial (or free him).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How about scheduling his posing for a firing squad instead?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There's only one punishment for espionage, whether it's for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some twerp like Assange or for a foreign power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now grasshopper that isn't gonna happen, now is it. And what ever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happens, PFC. Manning has to go through the military injustice
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system first. You know, like Eddie Slovic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As for Mr. Assange, the american government's, and apparently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your problem, stems from that pesky Supeme Court decision of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thirty-five some years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you and 'tricky Dick' just have to choke on it. - redvet
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Assange did nothing wrong. the Army did, it had shoddy security
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the bitching about Assange is just an attempt to obscure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their failure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manning violated his oath, he breached state security and if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convicted the hope is he never breaths the air of freedom again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if for no other reason than as a warning to others thinking of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing the same.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And this wasn't any Pentagon Papers type deal where lies and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> crimes were being covered up. he was just exposing things for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money and to cause trouble.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I will wait until the trial to see what happened. From
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what I have seen it would seem he is guilty, but let's see what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his defense comes up with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the beginning, it looked like he was going to try for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "whistleblower"....but the amount and type of info he released would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to argue against that. I think they're going to nail him to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wall.....but we should probably wait to see if he's convicted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A whistle-blower defense would have worked had he gone to the proper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> authorities with his information.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instead Manning chose to give it to agents of a foreign power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If he had released only information about things he thought were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illegal, he might have a shot....although you're technically right
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about proper authorities....but it looks like he released just about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything he could get his hands on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is Wiki-Leaks a foreign power do you think , @deems ? Just asking, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never said it was. He did release the information so that foreign
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powers could access it......- Hide quoted text -
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that'll earn him life in a Supermax at least. Since the U.S. is at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> war, after all, wartime espionage law should apply. No matter what.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And that means either posing for rifle fire or a noose. (in theory,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> US Media have done more to publicize the information than he did.. Do
>>>>>>>>>>>> they also suffer a penalty?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No that was settled in the Pentagon Papers case. Now technically by
>>>>>>>>>>> accepting the classified document the press is in violation of Federal
>>>>>>>>>>> law, but the First Amendment trumped that statute. At least so far in
>>>>>>>>>>> the law. And with how precedents go in the US, its going to be
>>>>>>>>>>> virtually impossible to change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Which raises the question of why US was/is going after wikileaks...
>>>>>>>>>> First Amendment should apply equally to all publishers .
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The US always goes after spies..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So why weren't they going after the Washington post/ WSJ etc who
>>>>>>>> published the cables for all to see?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1st amendment. Another reason, never get in a pissing contest with
>>>>>>> somebody who buys ink by the barrel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But they "went after" WikiLeaks... Don't they have 1st amendment protection?
>>>>>
>>>>> I think there's enough gray area whether Wikileaks is "the press"
>>>>> that some ambitious prosecutor might take a shot. I don't think it
>>>>> would fly,.but you never know. Most of the histrionics was because of
>>>>> outrage and embarrassment. Neither are all that effective in court if
>>>>> the defendant can afford a good lawyer.
>>>>
>>>> Assange doesn't need to afford good lawyers.
>>>>
>>>> He's got a queue of some of the world's best lawyers wanting to defend
>>>> him for nothing.
>>>>
>>>> They say that this isn't about Assange, it's about free speech...
>>>
>>> Funny thing is he has free speech..
>>> Too bad he chose to use it to broadcast stolen documents
>>
>> Publish, the word is publish, not broadcast...
>
> He didn't publish squat, Assuage did a document dump.
Actually that's exactly what he didn't do.
The documents are being released in a slow sequence.
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William Black
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