were we not talking about battleships a few months back
like pulling out the Wisconsin again and home porting it in the Gulf with a
local crew
funded by locals - hummm - why would any carriers in the Gulf be needed
and of course there is the point about throwing grenades without their pins
pulled
but the BB's just sit there and look at you and look at you and look at you
and look at you ....

"eatfastnoodle" gmail.com> wrote in message
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Ed - for OIF and OEF the "morf" is back to close direct fire. Small calibre
guns and rockets without warheads may have more merit. Concrete bombs were
considered but they skip and bounce sending a high speed hockey puck down
streets. For another war it will go back to standoff and precision but we
need to re-figure all this

"Ed Rasimus" verizon.net> wrote in message
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Good discussion and I respect what Ed says immensely however gentlemen there
are some very critical differences being experienced in counter-insurgency
warfare now underway in Iraq and Iran and for the moment I want you to stop
looking around the world and realize that we must now bring an end to these
hostilities and it will take a good measure of air power to return the third
dimension to the fight simply because the Army failed to do that when its
"boots on the ground efforts" recognized that the armed helicopter (mostly
Apache and Kiawa) were now unrealiable against a ground sprinkled with armed
insurgents shooting wildly at them from all directions (Cobra II Chapter 14
and Fiasco Chapter 6). The war, which again remmebr is costing billions
every month and is taking nearly one hundred lives every month with many
more wounded has gone on now for five years. So at the moment we are not
looking at a conventional war with China or an invasion of North Korea, we
are focused on Iraq and Afghanistan for this next budget cycle and for the
next few years. We can not afford the new technology breakers that cannot
be applied to these conflicts in good measure and something has to give. We
no longer can deal with "nice to have" and starfing "may be stupid" in most
fighter pilots eyes but our of necessity in this war because of the caveats
of collateral damage and the vulnerability of the attack helicopters fighter
aircart are being asked to come in and strafe - and they do. And note that ...

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"Greasy Rider" bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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I believe you are correct. IIRC they started switching to RA5C's in '64?

J.McEachen wrote:

On 29 Dec 2006 17:17:30 -0800, "Mike Weeks" aol.com>
postulated :

Should have Googled it. Thanks,

In the publicity photo's of ship landing's the V-22 looks like one prop is
in "ground effect" and the other one is hanging over the side of the ship so
it's NOT in "ground effect"

Does anyone know how big of a problem this is? Does it limit the cross-wind
performance? So even though it's vtol the ship has to be pointed into the
wind etc?

Imprisoned for drug smuggling, former sailor puts her life back
together
http://www.estripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=42385

{EXCERPT} ‘In spite of it all, I feel increasingly blessed’, by Sandra
Jontz, Stars and Stripes European edition, Sunday-Monday, December
24-25, 2006

NAPLES, Italy — For five years, Felicia Wyche ached for just one
moment to be alone.

To cry with no one watching.

To exercise in the prison gym without the prying eyes of a video
camera.

To sleep in a room not shared by at least nine other convicts.

Then, when six months ago she got that wish, she couldnÂ’t stand the
solitude.

“It just didn’t feel right to not have someone watching. Isn’t that
strange? Sometimes, IÂ’d have to go outside just to be with other
people, to not be alone.”