> Except when the fookin radar didn't work, it didn't matter how good it
> was on paper. In the 12 months I flew the F-16, I launched w/o a radar
> exactly ZERO times, in about 450 hrs...I had a radar fail once in that
> time. It was standard to launch off the boat(VF-31, USS Forrestal) w/o
> a stinkin radar about 30 days into the cruise. I saw better radar
> availability with the F-4S(Awg-10) than I EVER did with the
> AWG-9...APG-71 had MUCH better availability than the HAWG-9....The
> inspired by the A-6, designed in the late 60s, F-14, never to be
> modified in the 2 decades it existed, was an embarrassment when
> compared to aircraft like the F-16C and F-15C/E....even the 'D'
> model...too little too late. If the F-14A became the 'C' model like it
> was supposed to, along the lines of...

> In article <1166104547.682773.236460@80g2000cwy.googlegroups.com>,
> peter@vecchios.com wrote:
>

>>>> I was flying them with the crappy flight controls, crappy engines,
>>>> crappy CADC...etc...
>>>> I flew the F-14A+ in VX-4..nice engines, crappy avionics. I saw the
>>>> F-14D...was in the planning for the cockpit...and it sucked compared to
>>>> the analog F-16N I flew...

>>>
>>> unless you need to fire a missile...
>>>
>>> --
>>> Harry Andreas
>>> Engineering raconteur

>>
>> ???Don't know what you mean? F-16N had all the plumbing for
>> Aim-9...even tho they were training aides only...just like the first
>> gen F-16....

> ...

>
> A friend of mine flew A-6s in several Red Flag exercises. He has several
> such near
> miss stories. I think the best was when he was running along at about
> 500' agl
> when he had a F-16 (F-15?) overtake him from below and then immediately
> pull up in
> an immelmann turn in front of him.
>
> During the de-briefing, the other pilot was asked about this maneuver and
> why he
> did it. Basically, he was focused on what he was doing and never saw the
> A-6,
> before, during, or after his turn.

>On Mon, 11 Dec 2006 18:11:15 -0500, "Darkwing"

>>yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:9olfh.2090$eb5.536@newsreading01.news.tds.net...

>>> Here's a very close call as recorded through the HUD camera of a T-38C.
>>> Scott Wilson
>>> http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=qLVtstYAZLY
>>> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLVtstYAZLY>

>>
>>
>>That was about as close as it gets without aluminum scraps flying.

> In article <1165975938.392067.289060@79g2000cws.googlegroups.com>,
> peter@vecchios.com wrote:
>

>> Gordon wrote:

>>> peter@vecchios.com wrote:

>>>> DDAY wrote:

>>>>> I was out at the Stephen F. Udvar-Hazy annex of the National Air

> and Space

>>>>> Museum today (near Dulles airport) and saw their newest acquisition: an
>>>>> F-14D Tomcat. This is one of the remanufactured F-14As, and it is

> one that

>>>>> shot down a MiG in 1989.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oddly, it does not have a MiG silhouette painted on it. Any idea why?
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody have a list of the preserved Tomcats? I saw one up in

> Kalamazoo a

>>>>> few weeks ago.
>>>>> ...