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Re: Ack!! video A320 xwind in Germany         


Author: D Ramapriya
Date: Mar 4, 2008 03:15

On Mar 4, 1:04 am, Jim Logajan Lugoj.com> wrote:
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> http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,538926,00.html
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> Scroll to the bottom for an editor's note: "An earlier version of this
> story contained information from German wire service DPA that listed the
> strength of storm winds near the airport at 250 kilometers-per-hour (155
> miles per hour)."

Jim, it was the plane that was traveling @ 155 mph :)

Ramapriya
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Re: Ack!! video A320 xwind in Germany         


Author: Robert M. Gary
Date: Mar 4, 2008 07:10

On Mar 3, 12:57 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> sockpuppe...@gmail.com wrote in news:9c6e930e-6cf4-4f7d-b2f1-
> e7004a9d6...@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
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>> On Mar 3, 1:50 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
>>> "gatt" godhateskansas.org> wrote in news:13sol8u8jlhokb5
>>> @corp.supernews.com:
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>>>> WTF kind of crosswind does it take to cause this?
>
>
>>> Wasn't so much the crosswind as the technique used to deal with it.
>
>>> Bertie
> ...
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Re: Ack!! video A320 xwind in Germany         


Author: Bertie the Bunyip
Date: Mar 4, 2008 08:41

"Robert M. Gary" gmail.com> wrote in news:5e393001-314a-46e0-aeb0-
62df17c9051c@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>> the flare, crabbing up to that point.
>
> Yea, that's call the "crab and kick" its common with jet jocks and,
> sadly, becoming the most common way CFI's teach in C-150's today. I'm
> still a big fan of the slipping method because my background is
> taildraggers and the crab&kick method doesn't work in taildraggers.

Doesn't really work all that well with anything, but it's a neccesary evil
in some airplanes. High performance fighter jets have to do it and some
airliners, especially four engined ones, but the video clearly illustrates
why, in max winds, it's just nowhere near as effective.

Bertie
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Re: Ack!! video A320 xwind in Germany         


Author: Marty Shapiro
Date: Mar 4, 2008 10:37

D Ramapriya gmail.com> wrote in news:706e02c1-4a48-4b69-91e9-
444101815f06@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
> On Mar 4, 1:04 am, Jim Logajan Lugoj.com> wrote:
>>
>> http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,538926,00.html
>>
>> Scroll to the bottom for an editor's note: "An earlier version of this
>> story contained information from German wire service DPA that listed the
>> strength of storm winds near the airport at 250 kilometers-per-hour (155
>> miles per hour)."
>
>
> Jim, it was the plane that was traveling @ 155 mph :)
>
> Ramapriya
>

On the local CBS news tonight (Channel 5, San Francisco) they stated the
winds were 150 miles per hour.
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Re: Ack!! video A320 xwind in Germany         


Author: Bertie the Bunyip
Date: Mar 4, 2008 12:00

Marty Shapiro SiliconSPAMNOTRallye.org> wrote in
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Re: Ack!! video A320 xwind in Germany         


Author: Vaughn Simon
Date: Mar 4, 2008 12:26

"Bertie the Bunyip" wrote in message
news:fqiueq$gu4$2@blackhelicopter.databasix.com...
> Doesn't really work all that well with anything, but it's a neccesary evil
> in some airplanes. High performance fighter jets have to do it and some
> airliners, especially four engined ones,

And most gliders. The issue is ground clearance with those long wings. I
was originally a glider pilot and I still have to think ahead and hold my mouth
just right before I can slip a power plane all the way down to touchdown.

Vaughn
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Re: Ack!! video A320 xwind in Germany         


Author: Orval Fairbairn
Date: Mar 4, 2008 13:11

In article blackhelicopter.databasix.com>,
Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
> Marty Shapiro SiliconSPAMNOTRallye.org> wrote in
> news:Xns9A571075CC1BFMartyN711BZ@207.115.17.102:
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>> D Ramapriya gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:706e02c1-4a48-4b69-91e9-
>> 444101815f06@e25g2000prg...
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Re: Ack!! video A320 xwind in Germany         


Author: Marty Shapiro
Date: Mar 4, 2008 13:17

Bertie the Bunyip wrote in
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> Marty Shapiro SiliconSPAMNOTRallye.org> wrote in
> news:Xns9A571075CC1BFMartyN711BZ@207.115.17.102:
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>> D Ramapriya gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:706e02c1-4a48-4b69-91e9-
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Re: Ack!! video A320 xwind in Germany         


Date: Mar 4, 2008 15:08

"gatt" godhateskansas.org> wrote in message
news:13sol8u8jlhokb5@corp.supernews.com...
> WTF kind of crosswind does it take to cause this?
>
> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ddb_1204404185

Why did the pilot even start the approach with such high and gusty winds?
Also, what is Lufthansa's policy regarding Max Crosswinds? What does the
POH say the Max Demonstrated Crosswind capability is?

After crabbing for awhile, it looks like he tried to slip. Then when the
plane hit the runway, the landing gear made it fly level. The wind caught
under the right wing and nearly flipped the plane. I'm glad he flew out of
the situation rather than trying to kill the power and stearing out.
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Re: Ack!! video A320 xwind in Germany         


Author: Bertie the Bunyip
Date: Mar 4, 2008 15:59

"Stubby" alum.mit.edu> wrote in
news:PIidnW4fLMFRylDanZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@comcast.com:
> "gatt" godhateskansas.org> wrote in message
> news:13sol8u8jlhokb5@corp.supernews.com...
>> WTF kind of crosswind does it take to cause this?
>>
>> http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ddb_1204404185
>
> Why did the pilot even start the approach with such high and gusty
> winds? Also, what is Lufthansa's policy regarding Max Crosswinds?

It's normal to do so when it's within limits.
> What does the POH say the Max Demonstrated Crosswind capability is?

We don't have POH's. We have an AFM which is effectively the same thing
>
> After crabbing for awhile, it looks like he tried to slip.

Nope.

Then when
> the plane hit the runway, the landing gear made it fly level.

Nope.
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