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Author: Ian RawlingsIan Rawlings Date: Feb 18, 2008 16:30
On 2008-02-19, AC wrote:
> Any reason to believe Renault are sandbagging? Is sandbagging throughout the
> entire testing season wise?
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> Or is Gene just being a loyal countyman?
TBH I suspect it's more of an ass in sheep's clothing, Alonso did
leave them for a reason, because they couldn't match the development
of McLaren and Ferrari for long, and that kind of difference really
comes out when there's a big shift in the regulations. I don't think
Renault are going to be a name to reckon with this year.
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Author: NewsNews Date: Feb 18, 2008 16:40
Ian Rawlings wrote:
> On 2008-02-19, AC wrote:
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>>Any reason to believe Renault are sandbagging? Is sandbagging throughout the
>>entire testing season wise?
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>>Or is Gene just being a loyal countyman?
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> TBH I suspect it's more of an ass in sheep's clothing
Or kick-ass in sheep's clothing. Time will tell.
In any case, Walter retired, what, two decades ago?
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Author: Bob DuberyBob Dubery Date: Feb 19, 2008 04:05
On Feb 19, 2:05 am, "AC" wrote:
> Any reason to believe Renault are sandbagging? Is sandbagging throughout the
> entire testing season wise?
I think it's difficult. The easiest way to sandbag is to get off the
throttle or not get all the way on it on the straights. But then
assuming the rest of the lap is at meaningful speeds you'd expect the
split times to reveal that Renault (or whatever other team) is fast
every where but on the straight. And it's easy enough these days to
figure out if somebody is doing the maximum revs or not.
It's entirely possible, but I'm not sure it's that easy. I would even
imagine that you could cruise (relatively speaking) down the straight
and still do meaningful testing - you don't test the aero and the
suspension on the straights anyway.
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Author: a_Franka_Frank Date: Feb 19, 2008 17:22
On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:05:00 -0800 (PST), Bob Dubery
gmail.com> wrote:
>On Feb 19, 2:05 am, "AC" wrote:
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>> Any reason to believe Renault are sandbagging? Is sandbagging throughout the
>> entire testing season wise?
>I think it's difficult. The easiest way...
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Author: AlexandreAlexandre Date: Feb 19, 2008 17:52
On Feb 19, 8:22Â pm, a_Frank notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote:> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:05:00 -0800 (PST), Bob Dubery
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>>> Any reason to believe Renault are sandbagging? Is sandbagging throughout the
>>> entire testing season wise?
>>I think it's difficult. The easiest way to sandbag is to get off the
>>throttle or not get all the way on it on the straights. But then
>>assuming the rest of the lap is at meaningful speeds you'd expect the
>>split times to reveal that Renault (or whatever other team) is fast
>>every where but on the straight. And it's easy enough these days to
>>figure out if somebody is doing the maximum revs or not.
>>It's entirely possible, Â but I'm not sure it's that easy. I would even
>>imagine that you could cruise (relatively speaking) down the straight ...
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Author: AllenAllen Date: Feb 20, 2008 00:12
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 12:22:21 +1100, a_Frank wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 04:05:00 -0800 (PST), Bob Dubery
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> >>On Feb 19, 2:05 am, "AC" wrote:
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>>> Any reason to believe Renault are sandbagging? Is sandbagging...
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Author: Bob DuberyBob Dubery Date: Feb 20, 2008 01:08
On Feb 20, 3:22 am, a_Frank notthis.optushome.com.au> wrote:
> Simply detune the engine. A second or two a lap could easily be lost
> doing that and nobody would be wiser when looking at the split times.
> Expected revs not being reached may be a giveaway to others, but in
> the end it doesn't matter what the other teams can see, as long as
> they can't see the true potential of the car.
You could even just drop the revs and tell your mechanics to
constantly and loudly moan about "that fucking ECU"
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Author: Ian DalzielIan Dalziel Date: Feb 20, 2008 02:20
On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 08:12:31 GMT, Allen wrote:
>Am I missing the point here or is testing really testing, as in the best
>thing a team can do to advance their cause is to actually drive the car as
>fast as possible and see how it works/what breaks etc?
>Anthing slower is just installation testing surely, in which case "it's
>only testing" :P
Yes, you're missing the point.
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Ian D
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