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Re: F1: Ferrari Making Engine Horsepower Gains Despite Freeze ?         


Author: peter
Date: May 14, 2008 03:00

Raoul Duke writes
> wrote:
>>And not only that....as well as receiving a disproportionate share of
>>the TV revenue
>
>Payment linked to constancy of participation.

Its all part and parcel of Ferraris favoured team status.
Ferrari get a 23%% share of the total F1 income for the current Concorde
agreement extension....palms well and truly greased.
Heaven forbid that Ferrari would want to compete on a level playing
field...I mean that would be tantamount to being sporting.
>
>>and massive cash kickbacks from Bernie,
>
>What now? Like when Williams were paid to hire Villeneuve?
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Re: F1: Ferrari Making Engine Horsepower Gains Despite Freeze ?         


Author: Raoul Duke
Date: May 14, 2008 04:38

On Wed, 14 May 2008 11:00:35 +0100, peter
wrote:
>>>and support for Ferrari >sponsored technical changes
>>>the change from V10s to V8s,
>>
>>Raw undisguised bullshit. Still doesn't stick.
>
>Clear unequivocal quotes from top Ferrari personal made during FIA press
>conferences or minuted meetings and archived on the FIA website.

Taken out of context and presented in distorted form in a transparent
attempt to buttress your bigoted and prejudiced conclusions and
hatred.

Get professional help: Start with a grade-school research librarian,
then on to the psych guys.

--
"Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?"
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Re: F1: Ferrari Making Engine Horsepower Gains Despite Freeze ?         


Author: ric zito
Date: May 14, 2008 06:16

Raoul Duke wrote:
>>>>and support for Ferrari >sponsored technical changes
>>>>the change from V10s to V8s,
>>>
>>>Raw undisguised bullshit. Still doesn't stick.
>>
>>Clear unequivocal quotes from top Ferrari personal made during FIA press
>>conferences or minuted meetings and archived on the FIA website.
>
> Taken out of context and presented in distorted form

So present them in context and in undistorted form. What's stopping you?
> in a transparent
> attempt to buttress your bigoted and prejudiced conclusions and
> hatred.

FFS, Mark.
Peter shows you proper, documented facts, from official sources. All you
can do is bluster, fart, go red in the face and hurl insults? Why is
that, I wonder?

C'mon, do it properly. Argue your case or accept you're wrong.
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Re: F1: Ferrari Making Engine Horsepower Gains Despite Freeze ?         


Author: Mike
Date: May 14, 2008 06:59

On 14 May, 14:16, addr...@in.sig (ric zito) wrote:
> Raoul Duke wrote:
>>>>>and support for  Ferrari >sponsored  technical changes
>>>>>the change from V10s to V8s,
>
>>>>Raw undisguised bullshit.  Still doesn't stick.
>
>>>Clear unequivocal quotes from top Ferrari personal made during FIA press
>>>conferences or minuted meetings and archived on the FIA website.  
>
>> Taken out of context and presented in distorted form
>
> So present them in context and in undistorted form. What's stopping you?
>
>> in a transparent
>> attempt to buttress your bigoted and prejudiced conclusions and
>> hatred.
>
> FFS, Mark.
> Peter shows you proper, documented facts, from official sources. All you ...
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Re: F1: Ferrari Making Engine Horsepower Gains Despite Freeze ?         


Author: Raoul Duke
Date: May 14, 2008 16:52

On Wed, 14 May 2008 15:16:30 +0200, address@in.sig (ric zito) wrote:
>Raoul Duke wrote:
>
>>>>>and support for Ferrari >sponsored technical changes
>>>>>the change from V10s to V8s,
>>>>
>>>>Raw undisguised bullshit. Still doesn't stick.
>>>
>>>Clear unequivocal quotes from top Ferrari personal made during FIA press
>>>conferences or minuted meetings and archived on the FIA website.
>>
>> Taken out of context and presented in distorted form
>
>So present them in context and in undistorted form. What's stopping you?

Time.
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Re: F1: Ferrari Making Engine Horsepower Gains Despite Freeze ?         


Author: C Story
Date: May 14, 2008 18:44

Raoul Duke wrote in
news:qkjl24lqhubh89ratg0ki54bu5lmq506c4@4ax.com:
> On Wed, 14 May 2008 11:00:35 +0100, peter
> wrote:
>>>>and support for Ferrari >sponsored technical changes
>>>>the change from V10s to V8s,
>>>
>>>Raw undisguised bullshit. Still doesn't stick.
>>
>>Clear unequivocal quotes from top Ferrari personal made during FIA press
>>conferences or minuted meetings and archived on the FIA website.
>
> Taken out of context and presented in distorted form in a transparent
> attempt to buttress your bigoted and prejudiced conclusions and
> hatred.

"Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest"
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Re: F1: Ferrari Making Engine Horsepower Gains Despite Freeze ?         


Author: C Story
Date: May 14, 2008 18:46

Raoul Duke wrote in
news:o3um24paq3clho4knr3o4nsp5mf8u9eiq0@4ax.com:
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Re: F1: Ferrari Making Engine Horsepower Gains Despite Freeze ?         


Author: Alessandro D. Petaccia
Date: May 15, 2008 01:19

On Tue, 13 May 2008 11:11:07 +0100, peter
wrote:
>Raoul Duke writes
>>Your bigotry has already been noted.
>>
>Certainly the soft spot I had for Ferrari disappeared pretty much the
>day they sold their soul, honour and heritage to buy the ready made
>package of miscreants from Benetton who quickly introduced their
>corrosive win at all costs,

Very true. But:
>its been downhill ever since.

I can't agree there. Especially now, with the most controversial (or
shady) characters gone - Dominicali and KR seem to me to represent an
entirely different kind of racing philosophy.
>On the plus side, once Luca Montezemolo, the notoriously vain, hair
>weaved, wannabe blue blooded social climber
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Re: F1: Ferrari Making Engine Horsepower Gains Despite Freeze ?         


Author: peter
Date: May 15, 2008 01:53

Alessandro D. Petaccia despammed.com> writes
> wrote:
>>Certainly the soft spot I had for Ferrari disappeared pretty much the
>>day they sold their soul, honour and heritage to buy the ready made
>>package of miscreants from Benetton who quickly introduced their
>>corrosive win at all costs,
>
>Very true. But:
>
>>its been downhill ever since.
>
>I can't agree there. Especially now, with the most controversial (or
>shady) characters gone - Dominicali and KR seem to me to represent an
>entirely different kind of racing philosophy.

Indeed, quite refreshing..I do wish there was an up and coming Italian
driver to take Massa's seat (there is something about Massa, I can't
take to him). The new look (Benetton free) Ferrari team with...
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Re: F1: Ferrari Making Engine Horsepower Gains Despite Freeze ?         


Author: Alessandro D. Petaccia
Date: May 15, 2008 02:33

On Thu, 15 May 2008 09:53:58 +0100, peter
wrote:
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