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Author: WQWQ Date: May 16, 2008 09:39
From http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121089546043097065.html?mod=2_1567_topbox
It's No Gossip, Ratings Slip Threatens CW Network
By REBECCA DANA
May 16, 2008; Page B1
Time may be running out for the CW network.
Two years after CBS Corp. and Time Warner Inc. combined their second-
tier networks UPN and WB into the youth-oriented CW to pool young
viewers prized by advertisers, the network's hopes of surviving are
looking increasingly bleak.
Despite the buzz about "Gossip Girl," a prime-time soap opera about a
group of rich kids on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, the network
has lost about 28%% of its target audience of 18 to 34 year olds so far
this season. Its ratings during this month's "sweeps" period -- the
all-important measure upon which future advertising rates are set --
are down about 22%%.
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Author: WQWQ Date: May 16, 2008 09:54
> Advertisers eager to reach a young demographic initially clamored to
> sign on to the CW, but have since cooled to the network. Steven Kalb,
> director of broadcast media for media-buying firm MediaHub, owned by
> Interpublic Group, says there were high hopes for the network when
> last year's lineup was unveiled. Now, he says, "It has collapsed."
>
> Part of the problem is that the CW's young audience is most prone to
> spend leisure time on the Internet. Last winter's Hollywood writers'
> strike, which forced scripted shows off the air for three months,
> hastened the defection of viewers to the Web.
>
> Also this spring, the CW elected to stop airing wrestling on Friday
> nights -- an admission that chasing a young male audience was no
> longer part of the network's mission. Wrestling had drawn high
> ratings, but advertising rates were lower because it draws an audience
> less desirable to advertisers. At its upfront presentation this week,
> the CW redefined its target audience as exclusively 18- to 34-year-old
> women.
>
> CW executives attribute the network's poor ratings performance not to ...
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Author: mike9986mike9986 Date: May 16, 2008 10:14
> Combined, UPN and the WB lost about $2 billion in the 11 years that
> spent on the air.
I'd be interested in seeing the separate losses for the two networks.
UPN never developed a hit show that didn't have the name "Star Trek"
attached to it (and even Enterprise didn't do all that well). WB,
meanwhile, had Dawson's Creek, Gilmore Girls, Buffy, Smallville,
Angel. I've really kind of been surprised from the day CW was
announced that the two networks "merged" like this. UPN I could easily
see folding, but WB seemed to be strong enough to survive.
Mike
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Author: WQWQ Date: May 16, 2008 10:44
>> Combined, UPN and the WB lost about $2 billion in the 11 years that
>> spent on the air.
>
> I'd be interested in seeing the separate losses for the two networks.
> UPN never developed a hit show that didn't have the name "Star Trek"
> attached to it (and even Enterprise didn't do all that well). WB,
> meanwhile, had Dawson's Creek, Gilmore Girls, Buffy, Smallville,
> Angel. I've really kind of been surprised from the day CW was
> announced that the two networks "merged" like this. UPN I could easily
> see folding, but WB seemed to be strong enough to survive.
>
> Mike
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Author: ObveeusObveeus Date: May 16, 2008 12:20
"WQ" gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'd be interested in seeing the separate losses for the two networks.
>> UPN never developed a hit show that didn't have the name "Star Trek"
>> attached to it (and even Enterprise didn't do all that well). WB,
>> meanwhile, had Dawson's Creek, Gilmore Girls, Buffy, Smallville,
>> Angel.
>--- Ratings-wise, they were both heading into the netherworld abyss of
>no-network land. At the end of the 1999-2000 season, UPN had a 2.7
>average, WB a 2.6.
Yep. Despite the massive amount of brainwashing that went on with WB fans
(maybe because it was the kiddie network?), the two networks had about equal
ratings. Also, I've seen financial figures quoted that indicated they each
lost over 1 billion dollars.
>What really gets me is why CBS just spent $1.8 billion to
>buy the web site Cnet, which beats me what they hope to get out of it,
>when it could've plowed that money into new and better programming for
>both CBS and CW.
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Author: Audie Murphy's GhostAudie Murphy's Ghost Date: May 16, 2008 12:44
In article
y38g2000hsy.googlegroups.com>, WQ
gmail.com> wrote:
> At its upfront presentation this week,
> the CW redefined its target audience as exclusively 18- to 34-year-old
> women.
This must be why it declined to pick up Moonlight.
Makes perfect sense. Yeah.
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Author: TaylorTaylor Date: May 16, 2008 12:44
On May 16, 12:39Â pm, WQ gmail.com> wrote:
> Fromhttp://online.wsj.com/article/SB121089546043097065.html?mod=2_1567_to...
>
> It's No Gossip, Ratings Slip Threatens CW Network
> By REBECCA DANA
> May 16, 2008; Page B1
>
> Time may be running out for the CW network.
>
> Two years after CBS Corp. and Time Warner Inc. combined their second-
> tier networks UPN and WB into the youth-oriented CW to pool young
> viewers prized by advertisers, the network's hopes of surviving are
> looking increasingly bleak.
>
> Despite the buzz about "Gossip Girl," a prime-time soap opera about a
> group of rich kids on the Upper East Side of Manhattan, the network
> has lost about 28%% of its target audience of 18 to 34 year olds so far
> this season. Its ratings during this month's "sweeps" period -- the
> all-important measure upon which future advertising rates are set --
> are down about 22%%. ...
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Author: TaylorTaylor Date: May 16, 2008 12:47
Univision, gets around 4 million viewers a night. 4 million viewers.
The WB and UPN would have *killed* to get those numbers.
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Author: ObveeusObveeus Date: May 16, 2008 13:10
"Taylor" gmail.com> wrote:
>Then what does this say about MyNetwork TV. Just END the whole thing
>and revert all stations back to locals. WSBK's trying (http://
> tv38.com/). Perhaps a 2nd run of 'Seinfeld' or 'Wheel Of Fortune' or
>'Dr. Phil' will pull in more of an audience. This theory hasn't ever
>been tried, other than the rare, rare indy local. Network primetime is
>different than it was in 1998 when 'Seinfeld' went off the air. Maybe
>local primetime is, too. It'll NEVER be the way it was back when you
>had PTEN programming (pre-The WB/UPN).
Isn't the Ion network basically a national rerun syndication broadcast
network?
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Author: ObveeusObveeus Date: May 16, 2008 13:12
"Taylor" gmail.com> wrote:
> Univision, gets around 4 million viewers a night. 4 million viewers.
> The WB and UPN would have *killed* to get those numbers.
What sort of ad revenue does Univision bring in compared with CW or MNTV?
Ultimately, viewers don't matter if advertisers don't want to pay for them.
In any case, Univision may be in big trouble after this summer if they lose
the bulk of their programming in the lawsuit.
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