Gerard Ian Lewis wrote:
>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>> Gerard Ian Lewis wrote:
>
>>>>> /On First Looking Into Dockery's "Zorro"/
>
>
>>>> Thanks for watching, Gerard.
>
>>> Don't mention it.
>
> /snipped for brevity/
>
>> While recently you claimed you'd never even read any of my poetry...
>> and as I wrote before, the only bit from your wordy, stilted and
>> boringly obscure poetry
>
> The trouble
Is that you're a tiresome, pompous whiner with poetry that matches
your personality.
>>> I'm not denying that you can "entertain" an
>>> audience with this
>
>> stuff, especially if you walk the walk and drawl the drawl to a
>> musical backing and sell yourself (as you do quite astutely) to the
>> kind of folks who still fall for Beat-
>
>>> generation posturings.
>
>> I'm well aware of the anti-Beat sediments
>
> Another
Yes, it is... not as good as /repentative/, but a good one, in my
opinion.
>> with a few of the regulars
>> here, and I'm also well aware that the Beats are the main group who
>> brought /entertainment/ back to poetry... which was the main reason
>> for it to exist in the first place.
>
> It had never gone away.
Well, you have a point.
>> As I've written before, two poets from these newsgroups retain this
>> entertaiment element, while still writing superior poetry, Stuart
>> Leichter and Dale Houstman... although both have either vanished or
>> stopped writing -
>
> Houstman has reappeared, and there is no evidence that either he or
> Stuart ever stopped writing.
Houstman hasn't stopped, but the quality has seriously deteriorated,
while Stuart's been missing for almost a year, now.
>> Houstman cascades surreal images ("sit on the street corner and paint
>> with words") though a stencil cutout of memory and experience, and
>> dream (hallucination)... he's telling something important but makes
>> the finding out whatever it is an interesting trip for the reader:
>
> Whereas Dockery cascades vague reminiscences
> ("sit on the street corner and paint with words") though a stencil
> cutout of forgetfulness and pretentiousness, and drink
> (intoxication)...
Thanks for what passes for serious commentary on these newsgroups...
>> ----
>> Her Lark Colony
>
>> dmh
>
> This, from the man who complains about copyright theft. Did you get
> Houstman's permission to repost this?
I have Houstman's permission to use ''Her Lark Colony'' in an
adaptation with music... archived on these newsgroups.
Reposted from Usenet to Usenet for the purpose of comment. If I'd
raken it and posted it on a website or something, you might have
something.
And since when have you shown the slightest concern for copyright
infringement?
Not here that I've seen.
>> ----
>
>> Dale's work was better than the poetry of those you trumpet here will
>> ever write, since all of the work of Hammes and Evans is boring sing-
>> song junk, chopped-up-prose, or, in all of Hammes' current output,
>> worthlessly racist homophobic limerick crap.
>
> I'm not aware of having trumpeted anyone here. Perhaps you can point
> me to evidence of my trumpeting posts.
Maybe not, then.
>> From my review of "Her Lark Colony", a few years ago:
>
>> "...The white-on-white this thread has turned to reminds me of the
>> paleness of your poem "Her Lark Colony", with the vivid flashes of
>> primary color [red, blue, et cetera]
>
>> that flash in violently and
>> unexpectedly... astounding mix of complexity and simplicity,
>
>> and wound
>> tight like a crystal wristwatch. This poem always plays off like a
>> silent black and white film montage, with little sparks of color, like
>> the colors on Travis Bickle's wet windshield, and read aloud cries for
>> a saxophone and stripped down stand up bass..."
>
>> Stuart's poetry is more difficult to pin down /why/ it kicks ass, but
>> it does. What comes to mind is the legendary comment William Burroughs
>> made to Kerouac as I copy-pasted some irrelevant drivel for the
>> thousandth time in an effort to make me look knowledgeable.
>
>> Romance in Country
>
>> -Stuart Leichter
>
> This, from the man who complains about copyright theft. Did you get
> Leichter's permission to repost this?
Reposted from Usenet to Usenet for the purpose of comment. If I'd
raken it and posted it on a website or something, you might have
something.
And since when have you shown the slightest concern for copyright
infringement?
Not here that I've seen.
>> The combination of elements from both these poems could produce the
>> perfect poem, in my opinion.
>
>>> /wants/ that
>>>kind of audience -- certainly, I don't.
>
>> What /you/ don't get is that nobody is obligated to /want/ that kind
>> of audience.
>
> ?
Like I wrote... you don't get it.
>>> Many of us went through what
>
>> you're living as a phase in our late adolescence and early twenties,
>> I suppose you burned all that poetry... a shame, since the stuff
>> you're writing now is clearly getting nowhere fast...
>
> It's getting written, posted and sent to the people who want to read
> it. I have no further pretensions.
Okay... I've no problem with that.
>> ''...Gerard Ian Lewis, the pompous, formerly anonymous defender of
>> racists and homophobes... not to mention the writer of some of the
>> most wordy, unreadable crap I've ever seen...''
>
>>> and then grew out of it.
>
>> Maybe your ''grown-up'', pompous pretentions, which is the cause of
>> your wordy, stilted and boringly obscure poetry, no doubt, is just a
>> phase for /you/, and in a year or two you'll be interested in writing
>> something readable and interesting... or not.
>
>> Right now, your target audience of two or three doesn't even seem to
>> notice... although after this statement maybe they'll feel obligated.
>
> You have no idea who my target audience is.
Seems your aim is off, whoever it is...
>Again, don't confuse Usenet with Real Life.
I haven't.
>>> Perhaps the only interesting thing about
>>> "Will Dockery", from my point of view at least
>
>> Exactly... and there's plenty of room here for any number of
>> viewpoints, and styles of poetry.
>
> I quite agree.
That's nice.
>There's also room for lies and irrelevant personal attacks
I get 'em tossed at me every day here, so certingly.
>based on people's photos or alleged physical disabilities, etc,
Ah, so you've dived into the archives to the point where Mike Cook was
stealing photos of poets and pasting their faces onto other solen
photos, then.
You're catching up, slowly.
