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Author: Rob Kelk
Date: Jan 1, 2008 10:17

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The alt.fan.bgcrisis Newsgroup FAQ
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Extracted from "Another Bubblegum Crisis FAQ", maintained by Rob Kelk

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Subject: Table of Contents

What is this group about?
What are the rules of the newsgroup?
What does "DYO!" mean?
What do these other terms mean?
Are people in this group *trying* to dislike 2040?
I just wrote a BGC fanfic! Can I post it here?
I just drew some BGC fan art! Can I post it here?
Someone posted something that offended me! What should I do?
How can I avoid being mistaken for a troll?
Where did this newsgroup come from?

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Subject: What is this group about?

This group is for discussions of the two Japanese animated series
titled "Bubblegum Crisis" (abbreviated "BGC" or "BGC2040"), and
related works.

The original BGC is an eight-episode OAV series made by Artmic and
Youmex between 1987 and 1990, followed by a prequel three-episode OAV
series "AD Police Files" and a sequel three-OAV series "Bubblegum
Crash", both made by AIC. These are released in North America by
AnimEigo, <http://www.animeigo.com/>. (There was also an "AD Police"
manga by Toshimichi Suzuki (writer) and Tony Takezaki (artist),
translated into English by Viz Communications. It acts as a "bridge"
story between ADP and BGC.)

BGC2040 is the twenty-six-episode TV series "Bubblegum Crisis Tokyo
2040" made in 1999 by AIC. There is also an "AD Police" TV series,
made in 1999 by AIC, that appears to be yet another unrelated story.
The North American rights to these versions of BGC are owned by ADV
Films, <http://www.advfilms.com/>.

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Subject: What are the rules of the newsgroup?

1) Do not divulge any "binary" information to this newsgroup. (Post
"binaries" to or
instead.)
2) Do not act upon a personal grudge in the newsgroup - take the
"flamewars" to e-mail.
3) Do not act against other newsgroups - no "cross-group flamewars".
4) Do not force anyone else to secede from the newsgroup - don't
"troll" the group.
5) Members are personally responsible for any damage done to this
newsgroup's reputation.
6) Do not divulge any information concerning BGC's plot twists,
unless you put a "SPOILER" tag in the headers *and* spoiler space
in the message body.
7) Do not gather informaton on your own. The task of gathering
BGC-related information is to be distributed evenly among all the
members. (So ask BGC-related questions here before trying to find
the answers on your own - we may already have the answers.)
8) Keep in contact with the newsgroup regularly (as often as you
want).
9) The members do not know whether Priss is a lesbian, so don't
bother asking unless you *want* a "flamewar" in your e-mail inbox.
10) Do not get involved with a "troll".
11) The penalty for violating any of the ten regulations listed above
is... well, there is no penalty. (You might be thought of as a
"baka" by the regulars if you break the rules on purpose, though.)

Like the "Rules of the Knight Sabers" (found on many websites, such as
<http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/bgc/original.html#knightsabersrules>),
most of these get broken once in a while, but that's pretty much the
ideal we go by.

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Subject: What does "DYO!" mean?

It's short for "Damn you, Overstreet!" Kris Overstreet and Larry Mann
wrote a fanfic called "Bubblegum Pink: Raging Fires", which was (and
possibly still is) the most gratuitously hentai BGC fanfic ever
written. (A copy is in the rec.arts.anime.creative archives.)

Now, whenever discussions move toward gratitous sex, many regulars
will post messages saying nothing but "DYO!" (Yes, "DYO&M!" *would*
be more accurate...)

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Subject: What do these other terms mean?

"a.f.bgc", "a.f.b.g.c", "afbgc", and "AFBGC" all stand for
alt.fan.bgcrisis.

There are some abbreviations used in the OAVs:

* ADP: the ADvanced Police - a SWAT force designed to fight Boomers.
* OMS: the OverMind control System - a top-secret Genom system.
* MFS: Mind Feedback System - a control system developed by Doctor
Raven.
* SDPC: the Space DeveloPment Corporation - the agency responsible for
the Moonbase and the "Genaros"/"Generous" space station.
* USSD: the United States Space Defence command (?) - the military
body responsible for maintaining the orbital particle beam
satellites seen in OAVs 1, 2, and 6.

Many other acronyms are defined in the "Acronym List", posted
regularly to the newsgroups and
and found on the Web at
<http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/acronyms.html>.

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Subject: Are people in this group *trying* to dislike 2040?

This came up on 1 June 2000, in an exchange between Will Svenselius
and Andy Skuse. Will asked the question I've used for the section
header - this is Andy's reply:
> Will, here's a little history lesson that may shed some light on the
> feelings of many people in this newsgroup. It is precisely because
> of history that the majority of people in this newsgroup are fans of
> the original series. And it was a series that did not just have
> fans. Oh no. BGC ORIG was a series that created Very Devoted Fans.
> They carried the original series well after its demise and continue
> to do so today. They helped spread the word that has kept BGC Orig
> selling all these years. Consider that it is over 10 years since
> the series was released and people here are all still coming up with
> new things to discuss about it. I may be a bit out of line here,
> being a relative newcomer to the group (about 5 years now I think),
> but if people hadn't continued to discuss BGC in a newsgroup like
> this I wonder if BGC2040 would ever have been made?
>
> So anyway, along comes a new series, which has very thin ties to the
> old series. The VDF's (Very Devoted Fans) are very disappointed.
> Why? What's the big deal? First remember that the old fans are
> VDFs. This is an important fact. Music comes and goes, movies come
> and go, but if a movie or a band or any other creative effort
> manages to acquire VDFs, the potential to sustain popularity beyond
> the usual run increases tenfold. My favorite band Rush has been
> around since the early seventies and yet they continue to put out
> music and sell out concerts. Why is this? Because they have
> managed to convince their fans that they have integrity, that they
> will not compromise on their music or their vision, and that they
> will do their very best to entertain us. And to Rush fans, they
> keep putting out interesting music. They have always kept their
> fans in their minds and they have always been sensitive to what the
> fans like and don't like. Not so much that they would alter course
> drastically if a small faction demanded it, but when the fans
> complained about particular songs missing off their last live CD,
> they changed the CD. This kind of devotion to the fans is what
> makes them popular and keeps them there.
>
> Along comes BGC2040. I remember watching AIC's Rumors website page
> very carefully for many months as the series was announced, and as
> it went into production. There were many promises made about what
> the VDFs could expect. They reassured us that "this would be no BG
> Crash!"
>
> Well it wasn't. But it certainly isn't the BGC that the VDFs were
> expecting based on AIC's Rumors page. When I think back to all the
> discussion that took place over the new series while we all waited
> for it, there was a good deal of optimism here, that AIC would get
> it right. That they would make up for how badly BG Crash was
> received. But that didn't happen. In fact if anything, they seemed
> to ignore almost all of the promises they had made. The story had
> changed, characters had changed (and not just minor aspects), the
> music had changed, the settings had changed. Just about everything
> had changed.
>
> That may sell anime to the new generation of fans, who haven't got
> any preconceived notions of what characters should look like or what
> hardsuits should look like. But to the VDFs, who have kept the
> memory of BGC alive all this time, it doesn't sell very well at all.
> It just says to them that they weren't really part of the equation,
> and yet AIC quite clearly stated on their Rumors page that they were
> thinking about the fans of the original series.
>
> "This will not be BG Crash!"
>
> Whatever.
>
> So Will, that is what once was, and I hope it helps explain why your
> views are meeting with so much negativity. You are up against
> history here, and while you certainly have the right to discuss your
> views on BGC 2040 here (it's alt.fan.bgcrisis after all) you should
> be aware that a precedent has been set, and 2040 is the new kid in
> town. New kids tend to get bumped around a lot. Put a new kid in a
> school full of VDFs... there's gonna be a few "Out back behind the
> school. 3 o'clock! BE THERE!" gatherings ;)
>
> I feel a little sorry for BGC 2040 actually. It had a lot to live
> up to and didn't. I imagine there was a lot of pressure on the
> creators to please the old fans as well as create something new for
> a new generation of fans. They weren't just starting from scratch
> with a blank page. That's not an easy task. But the result was not
> even a compromise. The only thing I saw that tied the old series to
> the new were the first hardsuit designs. And even those have
> changed radically as we have seen now. It is this feeling of being
> ignored that I think most fans are upset about, myself included.
>
> But despite the threat of any behind the school gatherings or strong
> feelings from the VDFs of this newsgroup (to be fair most people
> here are offering solid reasons for their opinions), if you like
> what you see in BGC2040 then that's cool. The story has that same
> spirit of mystery (that I didn't think it had at first) as the
> original and it does attempt to challenge our thinking about the
> co-existence of machines and humans. If the story grabs you and
> makes you think, then it can't be a bad thing. It may never be as
> popular and self-sustaining as the original, but hey, that's usually
> the way it is with most new and old things anyway ;)
>
> Like what you like.

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Subject: I just wrote a BGC fanfic! Can I post it here?

Certainly. Some of the newsgroup's "regulars" will even give you
feedback on your story if you ask for it.

However, there is no central archive of fan-fiction posted to a.f.bgc.
If your story is complete and you want a copy of it kept with the
other fanfics, please also post it to .

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Subject: I just drew some BGC fan art! Can I post it here?

Sorry, no - that would violate Rule #1 of the newsgroup.

Fan art is accepted on the group.
However, a copy will be kept in the rec.arts.anime.creative archives.
If you don't want this to happen, post your fan art to
instead.

Alternately, you can put your fan art on your website.

Once you post fan art to rec.arts.anime.creative or
alt.binaries.pictures.anime, or put it on your website, feel free to
post a short note saying you've done so to alt.fan.bgcrisis (so we
know to go look for it).

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Subject: Someone posted something that offended me! What should I do?

Nothing.

alt.fan.bgcrisis is an unmoderated Usenet newsgroup - there's no
central authority to tell you what you can and cannot post. This
means everyone has complete freedom of speech in the newsgroup. Some
people are going to use that freedom to say something that you think
is wrong. Others are going to take advantage of that freedom in
inappropriate ways (spamming, trolling, and so on).

However, just because people use (or misuse) their freedom of speech
doesn't mean anyone else is forced to pay attention to them. Nobody
is forcing you to read every message posted to the newsgroup. If you
find someone's messages offensive, DON'T READ THEM. You might even
want to use your newsreader's "killfile" in order to ignore that
person completely.

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Subject: How can I avoid being mistaken for a troll?

There is at least one troll who posted regularly to alt.fan.bgcrisis.
(Since the aim of most trolls is to gain recognition, I won't name
names here.) However, you probably don't want to be mistaken for this
person/these people, so here's a few pointers on how to avoid being
mistaken for a troll. You can break one or two of these rules safely,
but breaking them all is a sure sign of "trolldom":

1) Use a single screen name, and an e-mail address at which you can be
reached. Trolls hide behind false names and e-mail addresses
because they believe that makes it harder for other people to track
them down. (Many of the "regulars" on alt.fan.bgcrisis use their
real names, but they've been on Usenet since before that became
dangerous. If you're already known by a pseudonym in other Usenet
groups, it's okay to keep using that "screen name", but don't
change it! Changing pseudonyms repeatedly is a sure sign of being
a troll.)

2) Avoid using profanity. Trolls like to use emotionally-charged
words and phrases in order to get people to reply to them, and
profanity is some of the most emotionally-charged language in
existance.

3) Be willing to admit that other people are entitled to an opinion
that doesn't match yours. Even if you aren't a troll, telling
people anything that amounts to "I'm right and you're wrong" won't
win you any friends.

4) When you *do* reply to someone else's post in order to disagree
with what they've said, don't flame the other person. (Saying "I
think your opinion is wrong" is okay; saying "I think you're an
idiot" is not.)

5) Be willing to defend your opinions if and when someone says they
think you're wrong. Some trolls will post messages saying they
believe one "side" of particularly-divisive topics, then watch in
silence as everyone else argues the topic. If you are willing to
take part in the resulting debate, people will be less likely to
think that you are a troll.

6) Make an effort to use proper grammar, spelling and punctuation.
Many junior-league trolls will purposely misspell words and use
incorrect grammar because they expect other Usenet readers to reply
to them, pointing out their errors. (The FAQ maintainer assumes
these trolls, and the people who reply in this manner, haven't
learned the difference between Usenet and grade school yet.) This
includes proper capitalization - e.e.cummings may have made a
career of writing poetry without using any capital letters, but
you're not e.e.cummings. (If you were that good with your words,
you wouldn't be wasting your time posting them to Usenet.)

7) Stay on-topic. This group is for discussion of the anime
"Bubblegum Crisis" and related works. If you insist on talking
about model railroads, or weather forecasting, or live-action
movies, or computer operating systems, or anything else that isn't
related to "Bubblegum Crisis", expect to be ignored (if you're
lucky) or labelled as a "troll" (if you're unlucky). (This is the
rule that the FAQ maintainer breaks most often ...)

8) If you choose to critize someone else's work of fiction, avoid
insulting the work. Constructive criticism helps the original
author; insults do not. (If you feel the fiction is utterly bad
and you *have* to reply, consider giving the story the "Mystery
Science Theater" treatment, or "MST" for short. The MST approach
requires you to actually do some work, and shows everyone else that
you're at least as good a writer as the other person is.)

9) Make an effort to follow the "Rules of the Newsgroup" (above).
While they're written in a humourous manner, the rules themselves
are for the most part a re-cap of good "netiquette", with only a
couple of group-specific guidelines.

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Subject: Where did this newsgroup come from?

(Okay, this question isn't asked frequently. Indulge me, ne? - Rob)

Way back when, Ben Cantrick decided it was time for a newsgroup all
about "Bubblegum Crisis". He sent a "new group" message creating
"alt.fan.priss-and-the-replicants". Unfortunately, many news servers
aren't able to handle newsgroup names with more than 14 characters
between the dots, and "priss-and-the-replicants" is 24 characters
long. Ken Arromdee ended up sending this "new group" message for
"alt.fan.bgcrisis" on July 13, 1993:
> After alt.config discussion for a while, here it is. The new group
> name (originally alt.fan.bgc) has been changed due to the
> discussion.
>
> For your newsgroups file:
> alt.fan.bgcrisis The Bubblegum Crisis series and related material.

(This, BTW, is probably why variations of "alt.fan.bgcrisis" are used
as an example of what *not* to do in the FAQ "So You Want to Create an
Alt Newsgroup", posted regularly to <news:alt.config>,
, and .)

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Rob Kelk <http://robkelk.ottawa-anime.org/> e-mail: s/deadspam/gmail/
"I'm *not* a kid! Nyyyeaaah!" - Skuld (in "Oh My Goddess!" OAV #3)
"When I became a man, I put away childish things, including the fear
of childishness and the desire to be very grown-up." - C.S. Lewis

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