> Lee Ratner wrote:

>> On Sep 15, 5:36 pm, David Johnston block.net> wrote:

>>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:34:37 -0700 (PDT), Lee Ratner
>>> They could have made that character Joan of Arc. The reason they
>>> didn't was not for fan service but to throw in a twist.

>

>>       No, I disagree. The reason they made Sabre, King Arthur rather
>> than Joan of Arc was to stimulate certain male fantasies, mainly of
>> the ice queen variety. A common fantasy for men is to encounter a

>
> The ice queen need not LITTERALLY be a queen.  (Saber as a drag queen?)

> Its not bad, Thor's incarnation is presented as average looking
> and not that popular among the ladies but Thor without a hammer is
> somehow lacking.

>
> Disneyfied vampires . . . now that's scary . . .

> Well, Crest features an exiled Japanese mutant Empire. (I'm
> forgetting, wasn't Outlaw Star on the edge of a Chinese
> interstellar empire?)

> On Sep 16, 6:37 am, "sanjian" vt.edu> wrote:

>> Lee Ratner wrote:

>>> On Sep 15, 5:36 pm, David Johnston block.net> wrote:

>>>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:34:37 -0700 (PDT), Lee Ratner...

> Aje RavenStar wrote:
>

>> And being (xxx)centric is common to all varieties of media in their
>> respective culture, Japan and/or anime is no particular extreme in that

>
> I remember a scene from Doctor Who when a giant robot was going
> after a large cache of nuclear missiles, a brigadier general
> explained that the UN had entrusted guarding them to the British,
> and the Doctor drily said, "Of course, the rest were all
> foreigners."

> On 2008-09-14 21:35:13 -0500, Jack Bohn bright.net> said:
>

>> Aje RavenStar wrote:
>>

>>> And being (xxx)centric is common to all varieties of media in their
>>> respective culture, Japan and/or anime is no particular extreme in that

>>
>>
>> I remember a scene from Doctor Who when a giant robot was going
>> after a large cache of nuclear missiles, a brigadier general
>> explained that the UN had entrusted guarding them to the British,
>> and the Doctor drily said, "Of course, the rest were all
>> foreigners."

>
>
> My memory fails as to which Doctor that was, but sounds like it could've
> been any of the first 4, or the 6th...
>
> Please help me out, which Doctor said it (even if it turns out to be one ...

> On Sep 16, 6:37 am, "sanjian" vt.edu> wrote:

>> I'm not entirely sure that's exactly true, but I'll have to do some
>> more research to be sure. None the less, you can still have Joan
>> toss away a good deal of her feminimity for her task.

>
> True but not to the extent of what they went with. Joan never
> pretended to be a man or boy and always acknowleged and was
> acknowleged as a female. Not a really feminine one but a female
> nonetheless, so you do not get a complete rekindling of the feminity
> that do with Saber as Arthur. I realize another problem with Joan. If
> Saber was Joan of Arc some vigorous hand-waiving would need to be done
> to get rid of Joan's intense religiosity and I think vow of chasity.

> Bill Martin wrote:
>

>> On 2008-09-14 21:35:13 -0500, Jack Bohn bright.net> said:

>>> I remember a scene from Doctor Who when a giant robot was going
>>> after a large cache of nuclear missiles, a brigadier general
>>> explained that the UN had entrusted guarding them to the British,
>>> and the Doctor drily said, "Of course, the rest were all
>>> foreigners."

>>
>> My memory fails as to which Doctor that was, but sounds like it
>> could've been any of the first 4, or the 6th...
>>
>> Please help me out, which Doctor said it (even if it turns out to
>> be one I didn't mention)?

>
> If it was to the Brigadier, and sounds snooty, it had to be Jon
> Pertwee. Doc #3.

>

>>>> I remember a scene from Doctor Who when a giant robot was going
>>>> after a large cache of nuclear missiles, a brigadier general
>>>> explained that the UN had entrusted guarding them to the British,
>>>> and the Doctor drily said, "Of course, the rest were all
>>>> foreigners."

>

>> If it was to the Brigadier, and sounds snooty, it had to be Jon
>> Pertwee. Doc #3.

>
> You sure? The only giant robot I remember which would have been around
> the Brigadier was from the first episode of Tom Baker, the Fourth
> Doctor. Admittedly I don't remember its having anything to do with
> nuclear missiles - it was a sufficiently devastating weapon all on its
> own - but I also don't remember any other candidates.