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Author: Patrick Joseph Mc NamaraPatrick Joseph Mc Namara Date: Sep 21, 2006 07:17
I ran across "It's A Joke Son" on Silver Screen Classics (available in
Canada). It's main character is Senator Cleghorn from a radio show which
became the basis for Foghorn Leghorn. It's interesting how the original
references get lost. It would also be impossible to get away with that today
with the strict control over copyright.
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Author: Arty McToonArty McToon Date: Sep 21, 2006 09:56
Patrick Joseph Mc Namara wrote:
> I ran across "It's A Joke Son" on Silver Screen Classics (available in
> Canada). It's main character is Senator Cleghorn from a radio show which
> became the basis for Foghorn Leghorn. It's interesting how the original
> references get lost. It would also be impossible to get away with that today
> with the strict control over copyright.
>
Played by Kenny Delmar who later was the narrator of the "Tennessee
Tuxedo Show" and the voice of "Commander McBragg" and "The Hunter".
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Author: Arty McToonArty McToon Date: Sep 21, 2006 10:05
Delmar played Senator Claghorn on "The Fred Allen Show" on the radio in
the 1940s. Claghorn lived in "Allen's Alley" where Allen would visit
and chat with the various people living there (Jewish housewife Mrs.
Nussbaum, stuffy poet Falstaff Oppenshaw (played by Alan Reed of "Fred
Flintstone" fame, elderly New Englander Titus Moody, spirited Irishman
Ajax Cassidy, and blustery Southern Senator Claghorn)
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Author: Juan F. LaraJuan F. Lara Date: Sep 21, 2006 10:51
> It's interesting how the original references get lost. It would also be
> impossible to get away with that today with the strict control over
> copyright.
Most shows don't try to get away with it, because being a cultural
reference is the whole point in current shows. All that the shows want to do
is make the audience get off on recognizing cultural refs.
But a good exception is "The Venture Brothers". Most of that show's
characters started out as parodies of well known cultural icons. But they
eventually developped their own personalities and grew character depth.
- Juan F. Lara
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Author: Derek JanssenDerek Janssen Date: Sep 21, 2006 12:00
Juan F. Lara wrote:
>>It's interesting how the original references get lost. It would also be
>>impossible to get away with that today with the strict control over
>>copyright.
>
> Most shows don't try to get away with it, because being a cultural
> reference is the whole point in current shows. All that the shows want to do
> is make the audience get off on recognizing cultural refs.
Interesting is that sixty years later, the surviving Warner talent and
historians STILL claim "No, no, Foghorn wasn't the Senator [despite
Foggy saying "Somebody, ahsay, somebody knocked" in at least two
cartoons], it was this sherriff we met, and we *both* based it on
him!...And it was around the same time, so we don't know who did it first!"
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Author: Kip WilliamsKip Williams Date: Sep 21, 2006 13:18
Derek Janssen wrote:
> Juan F. Lara wrote:
>
>>> It's interesting how the original references get lost. It would also be
>>> impossible to get away with that today with the strict control over
>>> copyright.
>>
>> Most shows don't try to get away with it, because being a
>> cultural reference is the whole point in current shows. All that the
>> shows want to do
>> is make the audience get off on recognizing cultural refs.
>
> Interesting is that sixty years later, the surviving Warner talent and
> historians STILL claim "No, no, Foghorn wasn't the Senator [despite
> Foggy saying "Somebody, ahsay, somebody knocked" in at least two
> cartoons], it was this sherriff we met, and we *both* based it on
> him!...And it was around the same time, so we don't know who did it first!" ...
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Author: Derek JanssenDerek Janssen Date: Sep 21, 2006 14:08
Kip Williams wrote:
>>
>> Interesting is that sixty years later, the surviving Warner talent and
>> historians STILL claim "No, no, Foghorn wasn't the Senator [despite
>> Foggy saying "Somebody, ahsay, somebody knocked" in at least two
>> cartoons], it was this sherriff we met, and we *both* based it on
>> him!...And it was around the same time, so we don't know who did it
>> first!"
>
> Not only that, but my grandfather (now departed) once told me that
> Senator Claghorn was an unkind mockery of a real legislator -- probably
> a very conservative one, or else Grand-dad wouldn't have still been
> offended by it forty or fifty years later.
(Well, "I'm from the South, I don't like anything Northern--I won't even
eat Yankee pot roast!" would seem to be taking shots at red-state
inflexibility...)
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Author: Derek JanssenDerek Janssen Date: Sep 21, 2006 14:48
Gary McGath wrote:
>
>>I ran across "It's A Joke Son" on Silver Screen Classics (available in
>>Canada). It's main character is Senator Cleghorn from a radio show which
>>became the basis for Foghorn Leghorn. It's interesting how the original
>>references get lost. It would also be impossible to get away with that today
>>with the strict control over copyright.
>
> There was another animated character, "The Hunter," who made even
> heavier use of that line. He appeared as a secondary feature on _King
> Leonardo_.
That mostly came from Kenny Delmar becoming a regular Jay Ward voice
around the Bullwinkle days, and staying on for Total Television's
"Underdog" era.
Derek Janssen
ejanss@ comcast.net
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Author: WerebatWerebat Date: Sep 24, 2006 07:37
Gary McGath wrote:
> In article comcast.com>,
> Derek Janssen nospam.comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> >>>Not only that, but my grandfather (now departed) once told me that
>>>Senator Claghorn was an unkind mockery of a real legislator -- probably
>>>a very conservative one, or else Grand-dad wouldn't have still been
>>>offended by it forty or fifty years later.
>>
>>(Well, "I'm from the South, I don't like anything Northern--I won't even
>>eat Yankee pot roast!" would seem to be taking shots at red-state
>>inflexibility...)
>
>
> Not exactly red-state. Before 1960 or so, practically all politicians
> in the South were Democrats. They still hadn't forgiven the Republicans
> for the Civil War^H^H^H^HWar Between the States.
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