Re: Early 60s Hanna Barbera -- were they being set up?
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Re: Early 60s Hanna Barbera -- were they being set up?         

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Author: Steve Carras
Date: Nov 30, 2006 08:45

Howard Fein wrote:
> Joseph Nebus wrote:
>> Another little thought inspired by watching rather more of the
>> funny-animal early 60s Hanna Barbera cartoons:
>>
>> Alfy Gator, the perpetually hungry and ever-foiled alligator
>> who hoped to eat Yakky Doodle; and Bigelow the Mouse, the strong and
>> undeterred by common sense mouse who'll protect someone within an
>> inch of their lives: they each got several cartoons, in rather prominent
>> roles, Alfy even opening and closing some of his appearances, to the
>> point the nominal title characters were put in supporting roles.
>>
>> Were these meant to be tryouts to see if the characters could
>> support their own spinoff cartoons, along the way that Snagglepuss got
>> started as a Quick Draw McGraw villain, and Hardy Har-Har got started
>> in guest appearances on ... uh ... Huckleberry Hound?
>>
>
> The Hardy prototype was in a Snooper & Blabber short "Laughing Guess".
> Not having seen it in many years, I recall that the character was
> designed similar to Hardy (including hang-dog look), but without
> porkpie hat and the gift of speech.
>
> One would say that a Hokey Wolf prototype was in a couple of Yogi Bear
> shorts that were fairy tale parodies. The design was definitely
> different, but the personality was there (verbose, pushy) and Daws
> Butler had already established his 'Phil Silvers' voice that seamlessly
> segued into Hokey a year or so later.
>
> It's true that Yakky and Snagglepuss prototypes made numerous
> appearances in the earlier series before Hanna and Barbera deemed them
> strong enough to strike out on their own. Alfy was in four YAKKY
> episodes- one pitted against Fibber; one against Chopper; two on his
> own. Bigelow guested in four different series: Yakky, Snagglepuss,
> Augie and Loopy DeLoop. For whatever the reason, Hanna and Barbera felt
> the duck and lion would make more viable starring characters than the
> alligator or mouse. More story opportunities, perhaps. After having
> viewed every Yakky episode on the COMPLETE YOGI BEAR DVD, I couldn't
> help notice the variety of storylines. It wasn't ALWAYS Chopper saving
> the little feller from Fibber Fox. Some episodes didn't feature
> Chopper, Fibber or Alfy.
>
> You may recall a 'monster family' that was in three Snooper & Blabber
> and one Snagglepuss episode. The parents looked very similar to Charles
> Addams creations (Dad being voiced by Daws Butler in his standard Peter
> Lorre imitation), with a croaking toddler patterned bascially as a
> mini-Frankenstein monster. After the Addams hit prime time in 1964, the
> Flintstones got next-door neighbors in the Gruesomes for a mere two
> episodes. Weirdly and Creepella bore a strong resemblance not only to
> Gomez and Morticia but the earlier H-B prototypes. Weird continued the
> tradition of speaking like Peter Lorre (in this case, by Howard
> Morris).
>
> The FLINSTONES Season 5 DVD has a very interesting featurette hosted by
> Earl Kress that details the genesis of Hanna-Barbera's ongoing efforts
> throughout the first half of the sixties to make series stars out of
> these monstrous characters. Unknown to me was that between their last
> appearance with Snoop & Blab in 1961 and their heralded arrival on the
> FLINTSTONES, a prime-time series featuring these characters was pitched
> to ABC- which aired the other H-B prime-timers 'STONES, TOP CAT and
> JETSONS. As with most series concepts it didn't make it to the air-
> even as a pilot. Vestiges were the two FLINTSTONE episodes.
>
> (It's funny how while the Rubbles lived next door for years, there was
> constant turnover in the house on the OTHER side. Alvy Brickrock, the
> Gruesomes and Loudrock moved in and quickly disappeared after their
> respective episodes. Must be something about Fred that only Barney and
> Betty can live next door to him-)
>
> H-B's obsessesion with friendly comedic monsters didn't end there. The
> Gruesomes guested in one episode of the 1971 Saturday AM spinoff
> PEBBLES & BAMM-BAMM. Similarly designed characters were presented as
> members of the Really Rottens in 1977-78's LAFF-A-LYMPICS, albeit
> renamed the Creepleys. Dad's Peter Lorre voice remained, for some
> reason shared in various episodes by Casey Kasem, Don Messick and Frank
> Welker.
>
> In 1980, NBC tried a prime-time revival of the FLINTSTONES, with an
> hourlong special concerning the Frankenstones, yet another set of
> next-door neighbors. Frank was drawn much like the Frankenstein monster
> and had a suitable Bela Lugosi voice courtesy of John Stephenson. The
> prime-time revival lasted only for a few more original half-hours, but
> NBC retained the Bedrock universe in all-new material on Saturday AM.
> The Frankenstones had their own component of the FLINTSTONES COMEDY
> SHOW, and often appeared on others. Curiously, Frank was now voiced by
> the legendarily prissy Charles Nelson Reilly to humorously incongruous
> effect. (Maybe Stephenson wore out his welcome after so many years at
> the studio?) An interesting sidenote is that son Freaky was voiced by
> Paul Reubens right about the time he was establishing his notorious
> Pee-Wee Herman personna. Aside from a lack of his trademark chortle,
> Reubens' voice is immediately recognizable.
>
> Even the NAME of a character can endure from one-shot to series, even
> if the character is different. One Touche Turtle episode has them
> pursing 'Ricochet Rabbit' (whose name sounds very bizarre uttered by
> Bill Thompson), who bears no resemblance to the later sheriff
> whatsoever: stark naked, no "Ping-Ping-PINNNG" (or any other speech)-
> just the requisite speed. When the MAGILLA GORILLA SHOW and its
> supporting segments were being developed, it's easy to imagine Alex
> Lovy, Tony Benedict, Warren Foster or someone else saying "Didn't we
> have a 'Ricochet Rabbit' in some cartoon once? That would make a funny
> name for the sheriff."
>
> In hindsight, one could speculate that 1968's WACKY RACES may have been
> viewed as a springboard for spinoffs. With ten race cars and two
> villians, it must've been hard for the writers to really 'flesh out'
> the many characters. If one views the episodes even while blocking out
> thoughts of the two spinoffs that did ensue, it's easy to notice that
> the Anthill Mob (usually having to disguise themselves to escape
> pursing authorities or to thwart Dastardly) and Penelope (an
> ultrafeminine Southern Belle racer provides irresistable gag material)
> get the most attention of any of the 'good guys'- i.e. the racers. By
> virtue of their villiany, Dick and Muttley obviously got far more
> screen time- and subsequently their own series as well. Of the other
> racers, I can't see anyone other than perhaps #9, Peter Perfect,
> getting his own series. Maybe a bumbling, full-of-himself
> turn-of-the-century do-gooder who overcomes many slapstick indignities
> to triumph through dumb luck.

1."Quick Draw McGraw" was a name used on Ruff and Reddy.

2.Speaking of THE "Quck Draw" (the equine one...) "Sageburhs Sally" was
a calm "damsel in distress"(HA! she didn't SOUND like she needed
help...) in such episodes as "Masking for Trouble.

3.I remember that "Laughinbg Guess" ep... with hardy..thanks for
mentioning that...that had I one of my favorite "Seely" cues (Phil
Green's "Parks and Gardens", , when "Blabber" says, a la sweet big band
leader Sammy Kaye (paraphrasing his wold WWII ballad) "maybe he's
crying on the outside..and laughing on the inside.") LOLused many times
over like in Augie Doggie's "Hum sweet hum" - it's right at the
beginning of that one, and outside in Clokey's (he used those cues many
times) 1957(?) or 1958 Gumby "Toying Around" when Pokey stares, first
rideside up, then upside down, for obviosu reasons, at an upside down
Gumby.)And of coruse no Mel Blanc...

As voiced by "Donald Duck" trick voice actor, Red Coffee, a little duck
appeared on a lot of thsoe short TV cartoons, like Yogi and Augie
Doggie especially, who famously as voiced by local Los Angeles
television ventriloguist/motivational speaker Jimmy Weldon, would
headline a series as...you guessed it.."Yakky Doodle."

Bigalow, the Cagney/Eddie G.Robinson mouse of Yakky Doodle and Augie
Doggie fame,as well as in Snagglepuss and Loopy as Howard mentioned,
seemed to be voiced byu etieher Doug Young or Daws Butler. BTW
Mr.Jinks, despite what http://www.bcdb.com (THE BIG CARTOON DATABASE)
says in its Augie "Hum Sweet Hum" filmography, does NOT guest star, but
apparently Yogi DOES in another Augie Doggie "Mother Nature's Pup". (He
does in "The Swedish Visitors", as a cameo on the Flinstones.) Now,
while all these series even tually used Hoy Curtin music, as the
Flinstones started out doing, the Capital/Seely (and Philip Green and
Jack Shaindlin individual-subleased cue music from outside California_
cues were used when "HUm Sweet Hum" (which had an ORIGINAL feline named
Chops,who sounded like Daws as Phil Silvers as Sarge Bilko) and
(presumably) Yogi Bear guestted in the even ealrier Augie short,
"Mother Nature's Pup", made in the John Seely Associates era, and
different music was in these than in "Ygoi" as in Steve Worth and John
K,.'s recent adult swim site, toon "Boo Boo and the Man'< Boo Boo
starring short just as Ranger had his, making "Boo Boo and the Man" and
"Mother Nature's" sound like Qucik Draw shorts with Yogi...
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