>On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:35:10 -0700, Ernst Zundholtz
>veritas.net> wrote:

>>On 28 Nov 2004 10:59:36 -0800, heinrichhimmelfarb@xmail.net
>>(HeinrichHimmelfarb) wrote:

>Even about the HOLOHOAX, based on zhid lies!!
>
>More and more truth is coming out, about the perfidious ZHID
>COLLABORATION with the nazis!!
>
>Surely this should cause those countries paying tribute dollars to the
>ZHIDS, to consider demanding repayment?

>>>On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 10:08:44 -0700, Joel Eichmann
>>>wahrheit.net> wrote:

>
>It will not be surprising for researchers in Poland, Russia and even
>Germany and Switzerland, to produce even more evidence of even more
>COLLABORATION between the zionists and their colleagues in Germany!!
>

>>>On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 08:41:32 -0700, dandelion
>>>meadow.net> wrote:

>

>>>Now that more and more research, with supporting documentation, is
>>>being made public, documenting the collaboration of the ZIONAZIS with
>>>the nazis, slime like Shiksa Sueee Cohen do not want this TRUTH made
>>>public.

>

>>>Even German historians such as C. Lange are now making public their
>>>findings, to the chagrin of the ZHID COLLABORATORS.

>

>>>It was not only the notorious KASTNER CASE!!

>

>>>On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 18:51:02 -0700, Heinrich Himmelfarb
>>>antizhidfags.org> wrote:
>>>Newsgroups:soc.culture.swiss,soc.culture.european,soc.culture.europe,soc.culture.polish,soc.culture.germany
>>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 09:25:52 GMT, c@c.cc wrote:
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>September 2004, page 86
>>>Book Review
>>>51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration With the Nazis
>>>By Lenni Brenner, ed. Barricade Books, 2002, 342 pp. List:$22; AET:
>>>$15.
>>>Reviewed by Sara Powell
>>>It's no secret that Zionism embraced political expediency to advance
>>>the cause of carving Eretz-Israel from the land of its native
>>>inhabitants. In his 1983 book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators,
>>>Lenni Brenner shows that 20th century Zionists observed shockingly few
>>>limits to that expediency. Not surprisingly, the book received little
>>>coverage in the American media.

>>>In addition to introductory and concluding chapters, the book is
>>>organized into five sections which lead the reader through early,
>>>pre-Zionist documents; pre-Holocaust ideological factions; the
>>>Holocaust era itself; and a chapter on the Stern Gang and the Nazis.

>

>>>Readers should note that a few documents are not indicative of
>>>collaboration in and of themselves, but provide the background to
>>>others written in response.

>

>>>These latter do indicate levels of collaboration between Zionists and
>>>fascists, both the Nazis in Germany, and those in Mussolini's Italy.
>>>Brenner's brief explanatory notes at the beginning of each document
>>>are helpful, as are the glossary and index.

>

>>>51 Documents assumes a certain knowledge of Zionist history, and
>>>requires a close reading and some deconstructive efforts on the part
>>>of the reader. Those willing to commit the time and effort, however,
>>>are rewarded with some stunning revelations. The reason some Zionists
>>>eschewed the boycott against Hitler?s Germany, for instance, is that
>>>they had a financial deal?Ha'avara?with Germany allowing Jews to
>>>exchange their wealth for goods to be exported to Palestine at less of
>>>a loss, as an incentive to emigrate. Those wondering why Zionists
>>>today are so organized and experienced in their public relations
>>>efforts discover that these battles have been fought before. Moreover,
>>>the section on Nazi and Zionist understandings of 'nationality' versus
>>>citizenship reveals how German and Israeli practices are based on the
>>>same concept.

>

>>>51 Documents also sheds a whole new light on the term Holocaust
>>>guilt, frequently understood to mean Western, non-Jewish guilt for
>>>not acting against the Holocaust earlier. However, these documents
>>>make it clear that Holocaust guilt began with those Zionists who made
>>>the undoubtedly difficult, but politically expedient choice to place
>>>Eretz-Israel at the top of their priorities, above the lives of their
>>>threatened European brethren.

>

>>>From a Zionist Executive Meeting speech by Yitzhak Gruenbaum on Feb.
>>>18, 1943:

>

>>>And when some asked me: Can't you give money from Keren Ha Yesod
>>>(Palestine Foundation Fund) to save Jews in the Diaspora? I said:
>>>'No! And again I say no....And, because of these things, people
>>>called me an anti-Semite, and concluded that I'm guilty, for the fact
>>>that we don't give ourselves completely to rescue actions.(p. 211)

>

>>>However difficult it may be, the reader must confront some rather
>>>disturbing conclusions. The most unsettling realization for this
>>>reviewer is that pre-Holocaust Zionists were able to politically align
>>>themselves with the Nazis because both groups fundamentally saw race
>>>as an important dividing line?and, moreover, were determined to keep
>>>it that way.

>

>>>From Vladimir Jabotinsky to Albert Einstein,'assimilation' of Jews
>>>into the societies in which they lived was not an acceptable option.
>>>Rather, Jewish nationalism required equality on a national level, not
>>>a personal one. As Jabotinsky explained, 'It is impossible for a man
>>>to become assimilated with people whose blood is different from his
>>>own'

>

>>>(p. 10); in Einstein?s words, ?Palestine is first and foremost not a
>>>refuge for East European Jews, but the incarnation of a reawakening
>>>sense of national solidarity? (p. 29).

>

>>>Finally, David Yisraeli, a member of the STERN GANG, , wrote the
>>>following in late 1940, as part of a proposal to Hitler. It was
>>>delivered in 1941 to two German diplomats in Lebanon.

>

>>>3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and
>>>totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be
>>>in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German
>>>position of power in the Near East (p. 301).

>

>>>Such beliefs, of course, were not limited to Nazis and Zionists.
>>>Scientific and philosophical constructs of the day considered such
>>>differentiation legitimate, and ideas of racial difference?and,
>>>therefore, racial supremacy?were practiced around the world.

>

>>>Another disturbing conclusion a reader must inevitably face is that
>>>Zionists learned both tactical and political lessons from the Nazis
>>>and that, even today, these lessons are applied to further the Zionist
>>>cause. Although most likely known to potential readers of this book,
>>>another disturbing element is the cover-up of the less than savory
>>>roles of current Israeli leaders, including former prime ministers, in
>>>the terrorist Irgun and Stern Gang just before, during, and after the
>>>Holocaust. Likewise, the succumbing of various U.S. officials to
>>>Zionist pressure is a familiar, but distressing, story.

>

>>>51 Documents seems to represent a renewed attempt by Brenner to bring
>>>information regarding Zionist collaboration with the Nazis to U.S.
>>>supporters of Israel, as well as to Jews and Muslims, in order to
>>>expand dialogue with knowledge, and save lives 'both Palestinian and
>>>Israeli' in the process. Readers of 51 Documents will find it difficult
>>>not to remove the rose colored glasses that so many seem to wear when
>>>examining Zionism.

>
>
># 5 The Kastner Case
>
>Extracted from a pamphlet issued by BAZO-PS - 1981
>
>Introduction
>
>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is
>that involving Rudolf Kastner.
>
>Most Jewish people have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>Those who have, are generally under the impression that
>there is some "controversy" about negotiations he undertook
>for "the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>equipment," but that he was "fully rehabilitated" by the
>Supreme Court of Israel.
>
>The Accusations
>
>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>
>Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the
>British Medical Research Council, was one of the few
>escapees from Auschwitz. In his memoirs published in
>February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald, he wrote:
>
>I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that -
>I accuse certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly
>deeds of the war.
>
>This small group of quislings knew what was happening to
>their brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their
>own lives with the price of silence.
>
>Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which spoke
>for all Jews in Hungary.
>While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz - the number is
>still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
>exterminations...I took these terrible statistics with me
>when I escaped in 1944 and I was able to give Hungarian
>Zionist leaders three weeks notice that Eichmann planned
>to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...
>Kastner went to Eichmann and told him, "I know of your plans;
>spare some Jews of my choice and I shall keep quiet."
>
>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S.
>uniform and took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends.
>
>Nor did the sordid bargaining end there.
>
>Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this
>ittle fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom
>when Germany collapsed, to set himself up in the Argentine...
>(Ben Hecht, Perfidy, pp 261-2)
>
>These accusations are confirmed by the "Eichmann Confessions"
>published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>
>"I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the
>commander stands 100%% behind it. By shipping the Jews off
>in a lightning operation, I wanted to set an example for
>future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to Himmler's
>directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>political officials in Budapest...Among them, Dr. Rudolph Kastner,
>authorized representative of the Zionist Movement.
>
>This Dr. Kastner was a young man about my age, an ice-cold
>lawyer and a fanatical Zionist. He agreed to help keep the
>Jews from resisting deportation - and even keep order in the
>collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
>hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to
>Palestine. It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the
>camps, the price...was not too high for me.
>
>"...We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me,
>Kastner smoked cigarets as though he were in a coffeehouse.
>While we talked he would smoke one aromatic cigaret after
>another, taking them from a silver case and lighting them
>with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve
>he would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>
>"Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for
>a select group of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Palestune...
>
>"As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity
>between our attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these
>immensely idealistic Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner
>would have sacrificed a thousand or a hundred thousand of his
>blood to achieve his political goal...
>'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have
>this group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great
>service by helping keep the deportation camps peaceful, I
>would let his groups escape. After all, I was not
>concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...
>That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner."
>(Hecht, Ibid., pp.260-61)
>
>Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false,
>do not relate merely to "the purchase of Jewish lives for
>money and military equipment."
>
>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie.
>When Malchiel Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli
>citizen published these accusations against Kastner, the
>Israeli Government did rather more than demand that his
>views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent Zionist
>official Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of
>Trade and Industry) was involved, the Attorney General
>of the State of Israel prosecuted Greenwald for criminal libel.
>-88-
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Posted by Robert E. Nordlander
>nord@powernetonline.com
>
>
>Subject: Kastner Case=ZHID KOLLABORACI WITH NAZIS!!
>
>From: Elias Davidsson (edavid@itn.is)
>Subject: Zionism. The Kastner case (1/2)
>Newsgroups: soc.culture.israel
>Date: 1997/07/12
>
>The Kastner Case
>-----------------
>Introduction
>
>Rather than answer every complaint in the same detail, we are taking
>up the issue which the VJBD has declared to be the most offensive of all and
>will show that on this question 'The documentation available is overwhelming
>and its message is thundering", just as Palestine Speaks claimed in one of the
>extracts complained about by the VJBD.
>
>Since the accusation of direct Zionist cooperation and assistance in
>the extermination of hundreds of thousands of Jewish people, and the
>accusation that this flowed logically from shared aims, are clearly the most
>'extreme' and 'offensive' accusations of Nazi-Zionist collaboration broadcast
>on 3CR programs, we will deal with this first, and in greater detail.
>
>Since the 'Kastner case' is the subject of most of the broadcasts
>concerning collaboration which have been specifically complained
>about, we shall go into this in greatest detail, and have put some books in as
>evidence about it. Having answered the VJBD where its case appears strongest,
>and on the points to which it has given greatest emphasis,we hope it may
>become apparent to the Tribunal that things are not quite what they may have
>appeared before this inquiry began.
>
>The most notorious case of Nazi-Zionist collaboration is that
>involving Rudolf Kastner.
>
>Most Jewish people in Australia have never heard of Rudolf Kastner.
>Those who have, are generally under the impression that there is some
>'controversy' about negotiations he undertook for 'the purchase of
>Jewish lives for money and military equipment', but that he was 'fully
>rehabilitated' by the Supreme Court of Israel.
>
>That is exactly the line taken by Dr. John Foster, the Victorian
>Jewish Board of Deputies expert witness, in his evidence condemning
>3CR for anti-semitism.
>
>It is quite clear from this evidence, that Dr. Foster does not know
>anything at all about the Kastner case, since he does not even know
>what Kastner was accused of.
>
>This may not be his fault however, since one cannot read an accurate
>account of the Kastner case in any of the widely available works dealing with
>the Holocaust, either in bookshops or libraries. Apart from 3CR, the
>suppression of information has been so complete, that even an expert like Dr.
>Foster, specifically asked to give evidence on the matter, has been unable to
>find out what it is all about.
>
>The Accusations
>----------------
>Briefly, the accusations against Kastner are as follows:
>
>"Dr. Rudolf Verba, a Doctor of Science now serving at the British
>Medical Research Council, was one of the few escapees from Auschwitz.
>In his memoirs published in February, 1961, in the London Daily Herald,
>he wrote:
>
>'I am a Jew. In spite of that - indeed because of that - I accuse
>certain Jewish leaders of one of the most ghastly deeds of the war.
>
>This small group of quislings knew what was happening to their
>brethren in Hitler's gas chambers and bought their their own lives with the
>price of silence. Among them was Dr. Kastner, leader of the council which
>spoke for all Jews in Hungary. While I was prisoner number 44070 at Auschwitz
>- the number is still on my arm - I compiled careful statistics of the
>exterminations...I took these terrible statistics with me when I escaped in
>1944 and I was able to give Hungarian Zionist leaders three weeks notice that
>Eichmann planned to send a million of their Jews to his gas chambers...Kastner
>went to Eichmann and told him, 'I know of your plans; spare some Jews of my
>choice and I shall keep quiet.'
>
>Eichmann not only agreed, but dressed Kastner up in S.S. uniform and
>took him to Belsen to trace some of his friends. Nor did the sordid
>bargaining end there.
>
>Kastner paid Eichmann several thousand dollars. With this little
>fortune, Eichmann was able to buy his way to freedom when Germany collapsed,
>to set himself up in the Argentine..."(Ben Hecht, op.cit. pp261-2)
>
>These accusations are confirmed by the 'Eichmann Confessions'
>published in Life magazine, 28 November and 5 December 1960:
>
>"I resolved to show how well a job could be done when the commander
>stands 100%% behind it. By shipping the Jews off in a lightning operation, I
>wanted to set an example for future campaigns elsewhere...In obedience to
>Himmler's directive I now concentrated on negotiations with the Jewish
>political officials in Budapest...Among them Dr. Rudolph Kastner, authorized
>representative of the Zionist Movement. This Dr. Kastner was a young man about
>my age, an ice-cold lawyer and a fanatical Zionist.
>He agreed to help keep the Jews from resisting deportation - and even
>keep order in the collection camps - if I could close my eyes and let a few
>hundred or a few thousand young Jews emigrate illegally to Palestine.
>It was a good bargain. For keeping order in the camps, the price...was
>not too high for me.
>
>We trusted each other perfectly. When he was with me, Kastner smoke
>cigarets as though he was in a coffeehouse. While we talked he would
>smoke one aromatic cigaret after another, taking them from a silver case and
>lighting them with a silver lighter. With his great polish and reserve he
>would have made an ideal Gestapo officer himself.
>
>Dr. Kastner's main concern was to make it possible for a select group
>of Hungarian Jews to emigrate to Israel...
>
>As a matter of fact, there was a very strong similarity between our
>attitudes in the S.S. and the viewpoint of these immensely idealistic
>Zionist leaders....I believe that Kastner would have sacrificed a
>thousand or a hundred thousand of his blood to achieve his political
>goal...'You can have the others', he would say, 'but let me have this
>group here'. And because Kastner rendered us a great service by helping keep
>the deportation camps peaceful, I would let his groups escape.
>After all, I was not concerned with small groups of a thousand or so Jews...
>That was the 'gentleman's agreement' I had with Kastner" (Hecht, ibid,
>p.26ö-61)
>
>Quite clearly these accusations, whether true or false, do not relate
>merely to 'the purchase of Jewish lives for money and military
>equipment', as Dr. Foster imagines, and the term 'collaboration' is the term
>that would apply. It seems unlikely that if Dr. Foster had known what the
>accusation actually was, he would have condemned 3CR saying 'In these
>circumstances, to talk of collaboration is malicious and absurd'.
>
>Are the accusations against Kastner true?
>
>According to the Government of Israel, they are a lie. When Malchiel
>Greenwald, a strongly pro-Zionist Israeli citizen published these
>accusations against Kastner, the Israeli Government did rather more
>than demand that his views should not be broadcast. Because a prominent
>Zionist official (Dr. Kastner was a spokesman for the Ministry of Trade and
>Industry) was involved, the Attorney General of the State of Israel prosecuted
>Greenwald for criminal libel.
>
>The Verdict
>------------
>Let the verdict of Judge Benjamin Halevi in Israel's District Court of
>Jerusalem speak for itself, given in criminal case No. 124 of 1953.
>The Attorney General v. Malchiel Greenwald. This material should be
>studied carefully, since a substantial extract from it, broadcast on 3CR, has
>been complained about by the VJBD as allegedly offensive to the Jewish
>community, likely to promote anti-semitism, likely to promote racism, in bad
>taste and contrary to common sense.
>
>It is the actual words used that are the subject of the Board's
>complaint, not the manner of their representation by 3CR. Presumably
>the Board itself was not aware just whose words they were when it made
>its' complaint, which shows how complete suppression of information can
>backfire on the censors themselves.
>
>Here then are excerpts from the verdict of Judge Halevi, who later
>became one of the panel of three judges that tried Eichmann:
>
>"The masses of Jews from Hungary's ghettos obediently boarded the
>deportation trains without knowing their fate. They were full of
>confidence in the false information that they were being transferred to
>Kenyermeze.
>
>The Nazis could not have misled the masses of Jews so conclusively had
>they not spread their false information through Jewish channels.
>
>The Jews of the ghettos would not have trusted the Nazi or Hungarian
>rulers. But they had trust in their Jewish leaders. Eichmann and
>others used this known fact as part of their calculated plan to mislead the
>Jews.
>They were able to deport the Jews to their extermination by the help
>of Jewish leaders.
>
>The false information was spread by the Jewish leaders. The local
>leaders of the Jews of Kluj and Nodvarod knew that other leaders were
>spreading such false information and did not protest.
>
>Those of the Jews who tried to warn their friends of the truth were
>persecuted by the Jewish leaders in charge of the local 'rescue work'.
>
>The trust of the Jews in the misleading information and their lack of
>knowledge that their wives, children and themselves were about to be
>deported to the gas chambers of Auschwitz led the victims to remain
>quiescent in their ghettos. It seduced them into not resisting or
>hampering the deportation orders.
>
>Dozens of thousands of Jews were guarded in their ghettos by a few
>dozen police. Yet even vigorous young Jews made no attemptt to overpower these
>few guards and escape to nearby Rumania. No resistance activities to the
>deportations were organized in these ghettos.
>
>And the Jewish leaders did everything in their power to soothe the
>Jews in the ghettos and to prevent such resistance activities.
>
>The same Jews who spread in Kluj and Nodvarod the false rumor of
>Kenyermeze, or confirmed it, the same public leaders who did not warn
>their own people against the misleading statements, the same Jewish leaders
>who did not organize any resistance or any sabotage of
>deportations...these same leaders did not join the people of their community
>in their ride to Auschwitz, but were all included in the Rescue train.
>
>The Nazi organizers of extermination and the perpetrators of
>extermination permitted Rudolf Kastner and the members of the Jewish Council
>in Budapest to save themselves, their relatives, and friends. The Nazis did
>this as a means of making the local Jewish leaders, whom they favoured,
>dependent on the Nazi regime, dependent on its good will during the time of
>its fatal deportation schedule. In short, the Nazis succeeded in bringing the
>Jewish leaders into oollaboration with the Nazis at the time of the
>catastrophe.