Oh, god, someone did a bad thing and forwarded me an email from this
infernal list that I had been blissfully unsubscribed to for...well,
a really long time now. In spite of having given birth and spending
the past 18 months being a mum I have not completely lost my
character so those who are sensitive to my usual missives should
probably brace yourselves.

Firstly, I have waited for a very long time for maintainers to step
up for a number of things, including the history project. Perhaps I
should write a manual with RULE NUMBER ONE: DON'T INSULT THE PROJECT
YOU ARE WANTING TO ASSUME CONTROL OF AND CLAIM YOU TRIED TO GET IN
TOUCH WITH ONE OF THE MOST EASILY FOUND PEOPLE ON THE NET BUT SOMEHOW
MANAGED TO FAIL. What, do I have to expain this to you idiots? Do you
bitch about a meal from your mother and offer to recook it, too? Not
to mention, my email address is everywhere (and plenty of other
people manage to find me daily) and while I probably should have your
address on a kill filter, I don't as I have better things to do these
days.

On Apr 26, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Elaine Ashton wrote:

Sounds like it's time to start a new history wiki page and go forward
from there.

xoxo,
Andy

On 26 Apr, 2008, at 20:53, Andy Lester wrote:

Not sure why you're pissed at me, other than reflex.

I just figure it would be easier all around to move forward with a new
document, or set of documents, rather than battle over the existing one.

On 26 Apr, 2008, at 22:20, Andy Lester wrote:

On Apr 26, 2008, at 10:00 PM, Elaine Ashton wrote:

Not to speak for Shlomi, but I suspect his purpose of putting
something on a wiki isn't to get other people to do the work for him,
but to allow others to work on it. Makes it much easier to let things
be maintained rather than having something lie fallow for six years.

Elaine,

If some of your anger was inspired by my comments, I apologize. I
had no intention to insult you or your work.

My suggestion of a wiki was not to make light of the amount of work
of the existing timeline, but instead to recognize that amount of
work by suggesting that no one person could realistically maintain
that history moving forward. The gap from Jan 2002 to present
implied to me that you had burned out on the history and had no
interest in maintaining it -- my bad. I was unaware that you had
been seeking maintainers "for a very long time".

I also apologize for my stream-of-consciousness comments that started
with "ugh" and ended with me acknowledging the value of the
timeline. The "ugh" came from reading 1969-1986, which seemed to
have minimal relevance to Perl. I should have written that more
tactfully, making my respect more clear.

Chris

On Apr 26, 2008, at 7:39 PM, Elaine Ashton wrote:

On Apr 26, 2008, at 10:40 PM, Andy Lester wrote:

To be clear, the wiki proposal was mine (for better or worse) not
Shlomi's. Shlomi responded lukewarmly toward the proposal.
http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.advocacy/2008/04/msg2404.html

On 27 Apr 2008, at 04:00, Elaine Ashton wrote:

What a bizarre attack Elaine. Andy and Shlomi both do more than their
fair share of doing. And from a fairly dispassionate perspective it
seems to be your social skills that are overtaxed right now :)

On 26 Apr, 2008, at 23:52, Chris Dolan wrote:

Wow, you think that maybe "Ugh" might not be all that flattering a
comment? Perhaps there has been some progress afterall. Don't worry,
nobody has really noticed it for a decade and, if the cyclical nature
of this sort of thing holds, after all the fuss over the timeline it
will return to its obscurity until someone else needs a fallow
project to bash.

I believe my no was very clear. No wiki. I'm not a big fan of them to
begin with and certainly not in this context.

I'll welcome updates.

I'll welcome fixed links and html.

I'll welcome new content.