On May 17, 12:07 pm, whoisthis wrote:
> In article
giganews.com>,
>
> Allistar c.com> wrote:>>> Well yes, let people go and gather food and build shacks
>>> on land. But you see that's been removed, they now have
>>> to get along and an responsible society recognizes that
>>> its responsibilities FIRST before it imposes them. A citizen
>>> has the right to subsistence.
>
>> They have no right to demand that someone else provide that subsistence.
>
> After all human rights do not extend to health, welfare, or education.
> It is perfectly acceptable to let people rot and die in squalor, its
> acceptable for people to be bonded into low wages with no hope of
> escape, to sell their children into prostitution
>
>
>
>> Without impinging on anyone else's freedoms.
>
> Yes, the rich must be free to keep the poor in their place. If the don't
> like it then the solution is obvious....stop being poor, they are their
> by choice...
>
>
>
>>> If someone has food, has housing, has health and just
>>> needs work assistance, then why lock them into a system
>>> that is overly generous? Why treat someone who needs
>>> housing with food and so they don't keep their job.
>>> The system isn't geared for clients its geared for bureaucrats.
>
>> The way it's geared is irresponsible and unethical.
>
> Millions dying of preventable disease in slums is ethical is it ?
>
>
>
>>> Give everyone a tax credit redeemable for those on low income,
>>> shut up W&I and get out of the way.
>
>> No. Charge no-one tax and this issue of tax credits goes away.
>
> Hmm lets se, someone on a low income pays say $1000 tax, adding that
> $1000 back but then charging them $3000 for their childrens education,
> $100 per doctors visit etc etc will make their live better ???
>
>
>
>>> Its uneconomical to
>>> waste money being too generous and then chasing welfare
>>> recipients, use those bureaucrats on real productivity of our
>>> economy.
>
>> Get rid of those bureaucrats. The economy is not the governments business -
>> they should only be concerned with our freedoms.
>
> Freedom to exploit the poor, freedom to be the ones in power.
>
>
>
>>> The NZ job market doesn't work because of
>>> the big country benefit system, coupled with the stupid
>>> rightwing dehumanizers argument that welfare must punish
>>> (sorry sanction).
>
>> Welfare DOES punish those that pay for it. That's what's unethical about
>> this socialist system.
>
> where as the opposite is one of poverty, slavery, people trafficking,
> drugs, disease...... damn that sounds so good doesn't it.... guess that
> why all the wealthy countries have a welfare system and taxes.....
>
>
>
>>> Why do the heartless and stupid so routinely
>>> endup declaring faith in God and spouting right wing nonsense.
>>> Right Wing means freedom from bureaucrats, even for those
>>> on welfare!@#
>
>> Right wing, left wing - who cares. Give me freedom.
>
> There is no such thing.... there are rules to everything. Only
> Terrorists and anarchists have true freedom, because they can do what
> they like when the like with no care for consequences to others.
>
> You KNOW the consequences of your utopia will be to make the poor even
> poorer, the reduce their quality of life, to have them in virtual
> slavery, and yet you don't care.
Its worse than that. Poor people get rich by working together
and create a civilized society. If we went back to a system
like Allistars we'd have to kill him just to get started build
a better life for all. Hecklers got the death sentence before
those evil Human Rights Lawyers started demand fair this and
fair that, fair trails, fair housing.
Allistars freedom to be wrong and still live.
