http://www.nnseek.com/e/news.admin.netabuse.policy/ Posts for news.admin.netabuse.policy Sat, 09 Aug 2008 08:31:14 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/ http://www.nnseek.com/img/64.png 64 64 NNSeek http://www.nnseek.com/e/news.admin.netabuse.policy/help_shakespeare_geeks_have_problems_on_our_open_f_96675314t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/news.admin.netabuse.policy/help_shakespeare_geeks_have_problems_on_our_open_f_96675314t.html Hey, guys -

Over the past year or more, we've had a spammer on our group.

He's an ideological spammer:

There's a disputed area of Shakespeare research, called the authorship
question -- some people believe William Shakespeare did not actually
write the plays, which scholarly researchers (at universities, with
tenure) largely rule out of court, kind-of like the way biologists
rule creationism out of court.

So, they organize on the web, and on the usenet: and those who (like
myself) disagree with them mostly do it in an occasionally heated way,
but still in the form of a conversation.

The spammer, "Agent Jim," though, has a brief blurb with a few links
to his websites. He claims to have disproven the authorship
challengers once and for all (which is fine), but he keeps reposting
this blurb. Over the past year it's gotten really bad.

We have a couple of arguments for it being spam:

1. It's the exact same post; he only changes his name (sometimes
adopting names similar to people he dislikes in the group).

2. He has recently explained in a related, moderated forum that he
does it to break up discourse on the unmoderated site. (A few days
later the moderators of that forum bounced him for bad behavior.)

3. On a surveymonkey survey recently, posted over a few days on the
group, 100%% of respondants said it was spam.


We're lit geeks, and don't know how to do the math spam index thing.

We'd *really* like to be able to talk about Shakespeare again...


Conrad.

ps - Some are pretty skeptical about moderating the group, since
people on the two sides of the debate consider one another biased
(with some justification). The spammer uses anonymous remailers: is
there anything we can do about this?

C.

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Last-modified: 2004/01/11
Version: 1.0
URL: http://www.killfile.org/faqs/nanap.html

news.admin.net-abuse.policy (NANAP) is a newsgroup for discussion of
policy regarding abuse of shared networks, or 'net-abuse'. It is a
robo-moderated forum, controlled by a moderation 'bot that automatically
approves anything that it thinks is an on-topic post.

HOW TO POST
===========

(This section assumes that you already know how to post to Usenet
newsgroups in general.)

As NANAP is a robomoderated forum, all messages must pass through the
moderation bot before they hit the network. Things that must be true for
the message to be approved:

o The message must have a subject tag, or some text inside a pair
of square brackets at the beginning of the subject line. This can
be anything, but should be something that indicates what the post
is going to be about in general. Sample valid subject lines:

[ADMIN] Welcome to news.admin.net-abuse.policy!
Re: [ADMIN] Is this group still on?
[email] About that new spam bill...
[AIM] AOL to start selling usernames to spammers!
[usenet] Posting binaries to comp.binaries.*

Sample Invalid:

(ADMIN) Welcome to news.admin.net-abuse.policy!
{ADMIN} Is this group still on?
Where do I put this tag? [Here?]

For reference, the perl to look this is:

my $tag = $subject =~ m%%^\s*(?:Re:\s*)?\[(.*)\].*%%;

o The message must not be a binary, or formatted in HTML. It should
be formatted in standard, ASCII-formatted text (or whatever Usenet
turns into over the years).

o The message must have less than 70%% quoted text.

o The message must not be clearly off-topic or abusive. This is
accomplished through basic pattern matching on the headers or body
of the message, and is only implemented when there is a problem.

If all of these criteria are passed, then the message is approved and an
approval notice is sent back to the poster. If the post is not approved,
then a rejection notice is sent back to the poster. Note that these
notices will not arrive if the return address is faked; as such, use of
spamblocked addresses is discouraged.

WHAT TO POST
============

Anything regarding actual abuse of a shared public network such as the
Internet, Usenet, IRC, AIM, or other similar networks is on-topic in
NANAP. This includes spam of all sorts, mailbombings, system security,
legal workings as regards to abuse, blocklisting, and anything that would
be on-topic anywhere in the news.admin.net-abuse.* hierarchy,

What is not on-topic is discussion of abuse *on* the net, except in as
much as it relates to abuse *of* the net, such as flamewars and off-topic
posts. Specifically, ongoing personal fights and flamewars from other
groups will not be allowed in NANAP.

ORIGINAL CHARTER
================

The following charter was set down in 1996, when the group was created.
Remarkably, it is still essentially correct.

News.admin.net-abuse.policy is a moderated forum for discussion of
policy and site-management issues related to net abuse. Possible
topics include Acceptable Use Policies, what actions should be taken
against abusers, discussion of third-party cancel messages, possible
actions against abusive sites such as rogue site declarations,
discussion of what is and is not net abuse, and so forth.

News.admin.net-abuse.policy is a moderated forum. The robomoderator
of the group will disallow any and all crossposted messages, message
spews, binary messages, and any possible attacks on the group as
required. Dave the Resurrector (or a similar program) will be run on
the group, forged approvals will be automatically cancelled, and other
programs may be used as circumstances require.

News.admin.net-abuse.policy is moderated by a robot moderator, run by
a team of operators. The robot will automatically approve and post
messages that:

o Are not crossposted.
o Contain only text formatted for <78 columns, excepting quoted
material.
o Cannot be determined to directly violate the charter of the group
by the robot moderator alone (for which the criterion will be
published.)

Messages not approved by the robot moderator will be sent back to the
sender with a copy of the charter, though at most one copy of the
information will be sent per week. Changes to the robot moderator can
only be enacted by a majority vote of the then-current operators;
similarly, operators can be added or removed by a majority vote of the
then-current operators.

The news.admin.net-abuse.* hierarchy is for discussion of abuse of
Usenet and/or the Internet; it is not for discussion of abuse of groups
or individuals on such networks, such as flames, personal attacks, or
off-topic messages.

Binaries are specifically prohibited from all groups in the
news.admin.* hierarchy, except as examples of other abuse. All
messages removed by unauthorized cancels in the hierarchy will be
automatically reposted by Dave the Resurrector or a similar program,
at the discretion of the group moderator or, for the unmoderated
groups, the operator of the resurrector program. Spams, gateway
spews, and other attacks on the system itself will be removed as
appropriate, following standard Usenet guidelines.

There have been some changes to the effective charter of the group through
the years.

CURRENT MODERATION INFORMATION
==============================

NANAP is run by 'Elemental', a Verimod moderation bot written by Tim
Skirvin back in 1996-97 and operated on killfile.org. While venerable,
the bot still works years later.

All posts that go through the moderation 'bot are signed with pgpmoose.
If a post does not have a cryptographically sound X-Auth header, then the
post was not approved by Elemental, and will be shortly cancelled by
another bot.

Tim Skirvin is currently the moderator of NANAP.

Moderator: tskirvin@killfile.org (Tim Skirvin)
Admin Contact Address: nanap-req@ravenna.com
Article Submission Address: nanap-sub@ravenna.com

Archives are available through groups.google.com. Tim has also written a
public web interface to the group, available at:

http://news.killfile.org/

- Tim Skirvin (tskirvin@killfile.org)
--
http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/ Skirv's Homepage < <*>
http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/nana/ news.admin.net-abuse.*

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]]> Sat, 09 Aug 2008 00:45:01 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/news.admin.netabuse.policy/rfd_udp_against_news_aioe_org_96198130t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/news.admin.netabuse.policy/rfd_udp_against_news_aioe_org_96198130t.html wrote in message
news:489a0e5f$1@news.darkshado.ca...
> Now FSS is spamming via the open news server ...

Considering the source of the report, ask us if we care?

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]]> Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:56:25 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/news.admin.netabuse.policy/usenet_binary_images_95212786t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/news.admin.netabuse.policy/usenet_binary_images_95212786t.html
I'm interested to know if any sort of policy exists with regard to
posting of binary images (jpg, gif, png, etc)?

I know that binaries are supposed to go in *.binaries groups, but image
binaries seem to be accepted in a far broader spectrum of hierarchies,
alt.sex.*, alt.penthouse.* and *.femdom.* to name a few examples I'm
witnessing at the moment. Should all these be treated as misplaced
binaries or are images generally accepted outside the usual binary
groups?

--
pub 1024D/228761E7 2003-06-04 Steven Crook
Key fingerprint = 1CD9 95E1 E9CE 80D6 C885 B7EB B471 80D5 2287 61E7
uid Steven Crook mixmin.net>

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]]> Thu, 31 Jul 2008 11:55:34 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/news.admin.netabuse.policy/admin_welcome_to_news_admin_net_abuse_policy_94029042t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/news.admin.netabuse.policy/admin_welcome_to_news_admin_net_abuse_policy_94029042t.html Posting-Frequency: twice monthly
Last-modified: 2004/01/11
Version: 1.0
URL: http://www.killfile.org/faqs/nanap.html

news.admin.net-abuse.policy (NANAP) is a newsgroup for discussion of
policy regarding abuse of shared networks, or 'net-abuse'. It is a
robo-moderated forum, controlled by a moderation 'bot that automatically
approves anything that it thinks is an on-topic post.

HOW TO POST
===========

(This section assumes that you already know how to post to Usenet
newsgroups in general.)

As NANAP is a robomoderated forum, all messages must pass through the
moderation bot before they hit the network. Things that must be true for
the message to be approved:

o The message must have a subject tag, or some text inside a pair
of square brackets at the beginning of the subject line. This can
be anything, but should be something that indicates what the post
is going to be about in general. Sample valid subject lines:

[ADMIN] Welcome to news.admin.net-abuse.policy!
Re: [ADMIN] Is this group still on?
[email] About that new spam bill...
[AIM] AOL to start selling usernames to spammers!
[usenet] Posting binaries to comp.binaries.*

Sample Invalid:

(ADMIN) Welcome to news.admin.net-abuse.policy!
{ADMIN} Is this group still on?
Where do I put this tag? [Here?]

For reference, the perl to look this is:

my $tag = $subject =~ m%%^\s*(?:Re:\s*)?\[(.*)\].*%%;

o The message must not be a binary, or formatted in HTML. It should
be formatted in standard, ASCII-formatted text (or whatever Usenet
turns into over the years).

o The message must have less than 70%% quoted text.

o The message must not be clearly off-topic or abusive. This is
accomplished through basic pattern matching on the headers or body
of the message, and is only implemented when there is a problem.

If all of these criteria are passed, then the message is approved and an
approval notice is sent back to the poster. If the post is not approved,
then a rejection notice is sent back to the poster. Note that these
notices will not arrive if the return address is faked; as such, use of
spamblocked addresses is discouraged.

WHAT TO POST
============

Anything regarding actual abuse of a shared public network such as the
Internet, Usenet, IRC, AIM, or other similar networks is on-topic in
NANAP. This includes spam of all sorts, mailbombings, system security,
legal workings as regards to abuse, blocklisting, and anything that would
be on-topic anywhere in the news.admin.net-abuse.* hierarchy,

What is not on-topic is discussion of abuse *on* the net, except in as
much as it relates to abuse *of* the net, such as flamewars and off-topic
posts. Specifically, ongoing personal fights and flamewars from other
groups will not be allowed in NANAP.

ORIGINAL CHARTER
================

The following charter was set down in 1996, when the group was created.
Remarkably, it is still essentially correct.

News.admin.net-abuse.policy is a moderated forum for discussion of
policy and site-management issues related to net abuse. Possible
topics include Acceptable Use Policies, what actions should be taken
against abusers, discussion of third-party cancel messages, possible
actions against abusive sites such as rogue site declarations,
discussion of what is and is not net abuse, and so forth.

News.admin.net-abuse.policy is a moderated forum. The robomoderator
of the group will disallow any and all crossposted messages, message
spews, binary messages, and any possible attacks on the group as
required. Dave the Resurrector (or a similar program) will be run on
the group, forged approvals will be automatically cancelled, and other
programs may be used as circumstances require.

News.admin.net-abuse.policy is moderated by a robot moderator, run by
a team of operators. The robot will automatically approve and post
messages that:

o Are not crossposted.
o Contain only text formatted for <78 columns, excepting quoted
material.
o Cannot be determined to directly violate the charter of the group
by the robot moderator alone (for which the criterion will be
published.)

Messages not approved by the robot moderator will be sent back to the
sender with a copy of the charter, though at most one copy of the
information will be sent per week. Changes to the robot moderator can
only be enacted by a majority vote of the then-current operators;
similarly, operators can be added or removed by a majority vote of the
then-current operators.

The news.admin.net-abuse.* hierarchy is for discussion of abuse of
Usenet and/or the Internet; it is not for discussion of abuse of groups
or individuals on such networks, such as flames, personal attacks, or
off-topic messages.

Binaries are specifically prohibited from all groups in the
news.admin.* hierarchy, except as examples of other abuse. All
messages removed by unauthorized cancels in the hierarchy will be
automatically reposted by Dave the Resurrector or a similar program,
at the discretion of the group moderator or, for the unmoderated
groups, the operator of the resurrector program. Spams, gateway
spews, and other attacks on the system itself will be removed as
appropriate, following standard Usenet guidelines.

There have been some changes to the effective charter of the group through
the years.

CURRENT MODERATION INFORMATION
==============================

NANAP is run by 'Elemental', a Verimod moderation bot written by Tim
Skirvin back in 1996-97 and operated on killfile.org. While venerable,
the bot still works years later.

All posts that go through the moderation 'bot are signed with pgpmoose.
If a post does not have a cryptographically sound X-Auth header, then the
post was not approved by Elemental, and will be shortly cancelled by
another bot.

Tim Skirvin is currently the moderator of NANAP.

Moderator: tskirvin@killfile.org (Tim Skirvin)
Admin Contact Address: nanap-req@ravenna.com
Article Submission Address: nanap-sub@ravenna.com

Archives are available through groups.google.com. Tim has also written a
public web interface to the group, available at:

http://news.killfile.org/

- Tim Skirvin (tskirvin@killfile.org)
--
http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/ Skirv's Homepage < <*>
http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/nana/ news.admin.net-abuse.*

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]]> Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:45:01 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/news.admin.netabuse.policy/rfd_udp_against_news_aioe_org_92804082t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/news.admin.netabuse.policy/rfd_udp_against_news_aioe_org_92804082t.html , Jamie wrote:

>The test message immediately showed up

OK, they allowed you to post one test message. I don't see that as abuse.

>Evidence:
>
>Message-ID: aioe.org> BI 1

That message is a single URL.

>Message-ID: BI 1

That message is a half-page story.

>Message-ID: aioe.org> BI 1

That message is a single URL (same as before).

>Message-ID: aioe.org> BI 1.41

That message is a several-page rant about you.

I'm not going to bother with the rest, that's enough to indicate that
the messages mostly aren't substantively identical, so adding their
indices demonstrates nothing.

>Here are forgeries made from aioe.org using my domain I never
>made these posts.

Forgery per se is not abuse of the net.

>Just from these messages alone the BI for the past 45 days is at 24.66 which
>would make this cancelable.

But they aren't substantively identical, so adding their BIs doesn't
provide useful information.

>A couple of peers have already dropped aioe.org because of their
>spammy nature and the fact that they are running an open
>news server.

Evidence says otherwise.

And it doesn't matter in any case; the fact that one peer dropped them
(if any did) isn't a reason for anybody else to do so.

>Also the netowrk providing connectivity to news.aioe.org seems to
>refuse to remove connectivity to this open news server.

There's no reason they should.

>I do believe that a UDP is needed against news.aioe.org

Enough others don't believe that to make it extremely unlikely to
happen.

Seth

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]]> Sun, 13 Jul 2008 10:00:57 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/news.admin.netabuse.policy/rfd_udp_against_news_aioe_org_92058866t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/news.admin.netabuse.policy/rfd_udp_against_news_aioe_org_92058866t.html , Jamie wrote:
>On Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:25:43 -0700, "G. Morgan" wrote:
>>Jamie wrote:
>>
>>>I have asked the admin at aioe.org to secure the news server
>>>several times already and he refuses to do so.
>>
>>It is secured against spam, AFAIK the server allows only 25 posts/ IP/ day.

>Thats not secure against spam Some one could still spam 24 times to say 10
>group
>per post. Which is spamming to 240 different groups.

Perhaps. Or maybe that IP would get permanently blocked if someone
tried it.

> secured is requiring authentication before being allowed to post at all.

Like Google Groups does? They seem to allow a lot of spamming despite
"authentication". Why don't you go set up LamieNet where a passport
is required to get an account, and see how popular it gets?

>There needs to be some kind of authentication system before anyone is
>allowed to post though the news server now that would be secure.

Feel free to reject or killfile all their posts.

>This news server is far from secured and it is being abused way too much as
>it is.
>The BI for this news server already over the past 45 days already exceeds
>the cancelable
>limit as I have already shown in my orginal post.

Total posts from a server don't matter. Only the ones that are
substantively identical count. You have not demonstrated any such
thing.

Seth

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]]> Wed, 09 Jul 2008 10:57:59 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/news.admin.netabuse.policy/admin_welcome_to_news_admin_net_abuse_policy_91974898t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/news.admin.netabuse.policy/admin_welcome_to_news_admin_net_abuse_policy_91974898t.html Posting-Frequency: twice monthly
Last-modified: 2004/01/11
Version: 1.0
URL: http://www.killfile.org/faqs/nanap.html

news.admin.net-abuse.policy (NANAP) is a newsgroup for discussion of
policy regarding abuse of shared networks, or 'net-abuse'. It is a
robo-moderated forum, controlled by a moderation 'bot that automatically
approves anything that it thinks is an on-topic post.

HOW TO POST
===========

(This section assumes that you already know how to post to Usenet
newsgroups in general.)

As NANAP is a robomoderated forum, all messages must pass through the
moderation bot before they hit the network. Things that must be true for
the message to be approved:

o The message must have a subject tag, or some text inside a pair
of square brackets at the beginning of the subject line. This can
be anything, but should be something that indicates what the post
is going to be about in general. Sample valid subject lines:

[ADMIN] Welcome to news.admin.net-abuse.policy!
Re: [ADMIN] Is this group still on?
[email] About that new spam bill...
[AIM] AOL to start selling usernames to spammers!
[usenet] Posting binaries to comp.binaries.*

Sample Invalid:

(ADMIN) Welcome to news.admin.net-abuse.policy!
{ADMIN} Is this group still on?
Where do I put this tag? [Here?]

For reference, the perl to look this is:

my $tag = $subject =~ m%%^\s*(?:Re:\s*)?\[(.*)\].*%%;

o The message must not be a binary, or formatted in HTML. It should
be formatted in standard, ASCII-formatted text (or whatever Usenet
turns into over the years).

o The message must have less than 70%% quoted text.

o The message must not be clearly off-topic or abusive. This is
accomplished through basic pattern matching on the headers or body
of the message, and is only implemented when there is a problem.

If all of these criteria are passed, then the message is approved and an
approval notice is sent back to the poster. If the post is not approved,
then a rejection notice is sent back to the poster. Note that these
notices will not arrive if the return address is faked; as such, use of
spamblocked addresses is discouraged.

WHAT TO POST
============

Anything regarding actual abuse of a shared public network such as the
Internet, Usenet, IRC, AIM, or other similar networks is on-topic in
NANAP. This includes spam of all sorts, mailbombings, system security,
legal workings as regards to abuse, blocklisting, and anything that would
be on-topic anywhere in the news.admin.net-abuse.* hierarchy,

What is not on-topic is discussion of abuse *on* the net, except in as
much as it relates to abuse *of* the net, such as flamewars and off-topic
posts. Specifically, ongoing personal fights and flamewars from other
groups will not be allowed in NANAP.

ORIGINAL CHARTER
================

The following charter was set down in 1996, when the group was created.
Remarkably, it is still essentially correct.

News.admin.net-abuse.policy is a moderated forum for discussion of
policy and site-management issues related to net abuse. Possible
topics include Acceptable Use Policies, what actions should be taken
against abusers, discussion of third-party cancel messages, possible
actions against abusive sites such as rogue site declarations,
discussion of what is and is not net abuse, and so forth.

News.admin.net-abuse.policy is a moderated forum. The robomoderator
of the group will disallow any and all crossposted messages, message
spews, binary messages, and any possible attacks on the group as
required. Dave the Resurrector (or a similar program) will be run on
the group, forged approvals will be automatically cancelled, and other
programs may be used as circumstances require.

News.admin.net-abuse.policy is moderated by a robot moderator, run by
a team of operators. The robot will automatically approve and post
messages that:

o Are not crossposted.
o Contain only text formatted for <78 columns, excepting quoted
material.
o Cannot be determined to directly violate the charter of the group
by the robot moderator alone (for which the criterion will be
published.)

Messages not approved by the robot moderator will be sent back to the
sender with a copy of the charter, though at most one copy of the
information will be sent per week. Changes to the robot moderator can
only be enacted by a majority vote of the then-current operators;
similarly, operators can be added or removed by a majority vote of the
then-current operators.

The news.admin.net-abuse.* hierarchy is for discussion of abuse of
Usenet and/or the Internet; it is not for discussion of abuse of groups
or individuals on such networks, such as flames, personal attacks, or
off-topic messages.

Binaries are specifically prohibited from all groups in the
news.admin.* hierarchy, except as examples of other abuse. All
messages removed by unauthorized cancels in the hierarchy will be
automatically reposted by Dave the Resurrector or a similar program,
at the discretion of the group moderator or, for the unmoderated
groups, the operator of the resurrector program. Spams, gateway
spews, and other attacks on the system itself will be removed as
appropriate, following standard Usenet guidelines.

There have been some changes to the effective charter of the group through
the years.

CURRENT MODERATION INFORMATION
==============================

NANAP is run by 'Elemental', a Verimod moderation bot written by Tim
Skirvin back in 1996-97 and operated on killfile.org. While venerable,
the bot still works years later.

All posts that go through the moderation 'bot are signed with pgpmoose.
If a post does not have a cryptographically sound X-Auth header, then the
post was not approved by Elemental, and will be shortly cancelled by
another bot.

Tim Skirvin is currently the moderator of NANAP.

Moderator: tskirvin@killfile.org (Tim Skirvin)
Admin Contact Address: nanap-req@ravenna.com
Article Submission Address: nanap-sub@ravenna.com

Archives are available through groups.google.com. Tim has also written a
public web interface to the group, available at:

http://news.killfile.org/

- Tim Skirvin (tskirvin@killfile.org)
--
http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/ Skirv's Homepage < <*>
http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/nana/ news.admin.net-abuse.*

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]]> Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:45:02 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/news.admin.netabuse.policy/rfd_udp_against_news_aioe_org_91773938t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/news.admin.netabuse.policy/rfd_udp_against_news_aioe_org_91773938t.html
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
>
> This is an open news server that has no authentication before people are
> allowed to post. It is an open news server.

So? DEnied.

M4

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]]> Mon, 07 Jul 2008 23:30:24 PDT http://www.nnseek.com/e/news.admin.netabuse.policy/admin_welcome_to_news_admin_net_abuse_policy_89172466t.html http://www.nnseek.com/e/news.admin.netabuse.policy/admin_welcome_to_news_admin_net_abuse_policy_89172466t.html Posting-Frequency: twice monthly
Last-modified: 2004/01/11
Version: 1.0
URL: http://www.killfile.org/faqs/nanap.html

news.admin.net-abuse.policy (NANAP) is a newsgroup for discussion of
policy regarding abuse of shared networks, or 'net-abuse'. It is a
robo-moderated forum, controlled by a moderation 'bot that automatically
approves anything that it thinks is an on-topic post.

HOW TO POST
===========

(This section assumes that you already know how to post to Usenet
newsgroups in general.)

As NANAP is a robomoderated forum, all messages must pass through the
moderation bot before they hit the network. Things that must be true for
the message to be approved:

o The message must have a subject tag, or some text inside a pair
of square brackets at the beginning of the subject line. This can
be anything, but should be something that indicates what the post
is going to be about in general. Sample valid subject lines:

[ADMIN] Welcome to news.admin.net-abuse.policy!
Re: [ADMIN] Is this group still on?
[email] About that new spam bill...
[AIM] AOL to start selling usernames to spammers!
[usenet] Posting binaries to comp.binaries.*

Sample Invalid:

(ADMIN) Welcome to news.admin.net-abuse.policy!
{ADMIN} Is this group still on?
Where do I put this tag? [Here?]

For reference, the perl to look this is:

my $tag = $subject =~ m%%^\s*(?:Re:\s*)?\[(.*)\].*%%;

o The message must not be a binary, or formatted in HTML. It should
be formatted in standard, ASCII-formatted text (or whatever Usenet
turns into over the years).

o The message must have less than 70%% quoted text.

o The message must not be clearly off-topic or abusive. This is
accomplished through basic pattern matching on the headers or body
of the message, and is only implemented when there is a problem.

If all of these criteria are passed, then the message is approved and an
approval notice is sent back to the poster. If the post is not approved,
then a rejection notice is sent back to the poster. Note that these
notices will not arrive if the return address is faked; as such, use of
spamblocked addresses is discouraged.

WHAT TO POST
============

Anything regarding actual abuse of a shared public network such as the
Internet, Usenet, IRC, AIM, or other similar networks is on-topic in
NANAP. This includes spam of all sorts, mailbombings, system security,
legal workings as regards to abuse, blocklisting, and anything that would
be on-topic anywhere in the news.admin.net-abuse.* hierarchy,

What is not on-topic is discussion of abuse *on* the net, except in as
much as it relates to abuse *of* the net, such as flamewars and off-topic
posts. Specifically, ongoing personal fights and flamewars from other
groups will not be allowed in NANAP.

ORIGINAL CHARTER
================

The following charter was set down in 1996, when the group was created.
Remarkably, it is still essentially correct.

News.admin.net-abuse.policy is a moderated forum for discussion of
policy and site-management issues related to net abuse. Possible
topics include Acceptable Use Policies, what actions should be taken
against abusers, discussion of third-party cancel messages, possible
actions against abusive sites such as rogue site declarations,
discussion of what is and is not net abuse, and so forth.

News.admin.net-abuse.policy is a moderated forum. The robomoderator
of the group will disallow any and all crossposted messages, message
spews, binary messages, and any possible attacks on the group as
required. Dave the Resurrector (or a similar program) will be run on
the group, forged approvals will be automatically cancelled, and other
programs may be used as circumstances require.

News.admin.net-abuse.policy is moderated by a robot moderator, run by
a team of operators. The robot will automatically approve and post
messages that:

o Are not crossposted.
o Contain only text formatted for <78 columns, excepting quoted
material.
o Cannot be determined to directly violate the charter of the group
by the robot moderator alone (for which the criterion will be
published.)

Messages not approved by the robot moderator will be sent back to the
sender with a copy of the charter, though at most one copy of the
information will be sent per week. Changes to the robot moderator can
only be enacted by a majority vote of the then-current operators;
similarly, operators can be added or removed by a majority vote of the
then-current operators.

The news.admin.net-abuse.* hierarchy is for discussion of abuse of
Usenet and/or the Internet; it is not for discussion of abuse of groups
or individuals on such networks, such as flames, personal attacks, or
off-topic messages.

Binaries are specifically prohibited from all groups in the
news.admin.* hierarchy, except as examples of other abuse. All
messages removed by unauthorized cancels in the hierarchy will be
automatically reposted by Dave the Resurrector or a similar program,
at the discretion of the group moderator or, for the unmoderated
groups, the operator of the resurrector program. Spams, gateway
spews, and other attacks on the system itself will be removed as
appropriate, following standard Usenet guidelines.

There have been some changes to the effective charter of the group through
the years.

CURRENT MODERATION INFORMATION
==============================

NANAP is run by 'Elemental', a Verimod moderation bot written by Tim
Skirvin back in 1996-97 and operated on killfile.org. While venerable,
the bot still works years later.

All posts that go through the moderation 'bot are signed with pgpmoose.
If a post does not have a cryptographically sound X-Auth header, then the
post was not approved by Elemental, and will be shortly cancelled by
another bot.

Tim Skirvin is currently the moderator of NANAP.

Moderator: tskirvin@killfile.org (Tim Skirvin)
Admin Contact Address: nanap-req@ravenna.com
Article Submission Address: nanap-sub@ravenna.com

Archives are available through groups.google.com. Tim has also written a
public web interface to the group, available at:

http://news.killfile.org/

- Tim Skirvin (tskirvin@killfile.org)
--
http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/ Skirv's Homepage < <*>
http://www.killfile.org/~tskirvin/nana/ news.admin.net-abuse.*

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