Considering that APEWS is only used by a handful of cluebies running
mail servers in their attics for 5 family friends and 3 cats, does
anyone besides the NANAE peanut gallery actually think the game of
pretending people are blocked and must do things to 'get off' APEWS is
anything but a game of lying to try to rope other people into the fight?

Some of this newsgroup and some of the NANAE group live in Kookland.
Responding to endless poor suckers by telling them things they need to
do in order to get removed from APEWS, pretending APEWS listings are
probably linked to other DNSBL listings elsewhere in the /16s which the
suckers need to somehow get fixed, all without telling them that in fact
nothing's blocked at all and any blocking or mail problems they *think*
they're experiencing because of an APEWS 'red alert' they saw on
DNSstuff.com are *entirely in their imagination*.

Some of the NANAE group go beyond outright lying and even tell them that
if they don't do what APEWS wants "things will only get worse",
obviously hoping to waste as much of these peoples time as possible,
getting them to call up their ISPs, even trying to get them to switch
ISPs to get around imaginary APEWS blockings.

Steve Linford spamhaus.org> writes:

Steve Linford wrote:

Can you show proof of this? I have a person insisting that a number of
small operators and SOHOs have taken up APEWS as a spam-fighting
measure, and this person claims he has actual bounces. (I haven't seen
them yet. "Show me the bounces!" Silence.)

I reviewed APEWS and decided it was too aggressive and, in a sense,
arbitrary to use for scoring, let alone blocking...but that was my choice.

Steve Linford wrote:

Maybe this is what its good for. Companies and admins are getting
alerted who they give their money. And they alert their upstreams and
put pressure on them. Dont know if it works, but at least some are
getting aware of their neighborhood.

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A hard bounce actually showed up in NANAE recently.

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In article <1rOdndzm6s0HTi3bnZ2dnUVZ_tbinZ2d@megapath.net>,
hal-usenet@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net (Hal Murray) wrote:

Whoopie, a bounce from the home mail server of a complete cluebie
who had no clue what he was using or why. If you can stretch that to
pretend maybe the cluebie is the tip of an invisible cluebie iceberg,
then maybe it's worth stretching it further to pretending there are
actual networks using it which could justify telling the suckers that
come in here that they have to do things to get unblocked...

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Steve Linford wrote:



Well first of all, I agree with what you say about it being wrong for
people to stoke unreasonable fear amongst those listed by APEWS. It's
really an unpleasant and extreme version of the FUD tactic.

And I think it's also pretty unnecessary. Those listed seem concerned
about the listing even before they receive the responses postulating
dire consequences if they're not removed.

Really, the beauty of APEWS is precisely that it *isn't* used by a
significant number of mail admins. The listings I've seen all have
been genuinely "dirty" IP space *under APEWS' published criteria* (and
under my criteria, to be honest, not that that means I'd block it
all). The result is a "block" list that doesn't block yet which does
alert people when they're on a network that supports spammers. If we'd
leave it at that rather than stoking hysteria it ought to be enough.
In fact, judging by the people who come here asking for removal, it
really *is* enough: Most of them seem to be upset at just the *idea*
of "being on a block list" or that their mail *might* be blocked. Yes,
it's irrational but irrationality isn't in short supply these days.

* Steve Linford wrote:

Steve Linford wrote:

I heard there was a dog involved somewhere too.
{However that is only a rumor.}

I don't see APEWS responses any significantly different
than those for BLARS, SPEWS, ... (most DNSbls)
Most people point out elsewhere it is listed, &/or
other info they see about that netspace / ISP
(the OP already knows about the info in whatever list
they mentioned).

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BLARS responses always made it clear the DNSBL was a joke. SPEWS had a
nack for picking out spammers that APEWS has failed to obtain, yet the
responses are more suited to SPEWS then to APEWS.

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