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Group: nashville.general · Group Profile
Author: jakdedert
Date: Aug 19, 2008 12:24

Felix wrote:
>
> "jakdedert" bellsouth.net> wrote in message
> news:sfeqk.11996$XB4.3080@bignews9.bellsouth.net...
>> Felix wrote:
>>>
>>> "jakdedert" bellsouth.net> wrote in message
>>> news:WT4qk.13002$Ep1.11752@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>>>> Bob wrote:
>>>>> "Twice Retired" gulfshores.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:B4epk.24209$1N1.19946@newsfe07.iad...
>>>>>> Read on one of the sites that poor people have been voting democratic
>>>>>> slates for years, but they are still poor. In checking the World
>>>>>> Almanac
>>>>>> it seems that the poorest states consistantly vote democrats into
>>>>>> office.
>>>>>> Oh well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps you shoulda checked some other references. Apparently,
>>>>> things have changed. These studies say patterns have reversed. But
>>>>> they don't take into account the great deal of Repuglican fraud
>>>>> which has taken place. "It's not the vote that counts, it's who
>>>>> counts the vote".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1010426
>>>>> "...Abstract:
>>>>> We find that income matters more in "red America" than in "blue
>>>>> America". In
>>>>> poor states, rich people are much more likely than poor people to
>>>>> vote for
>>>>> the Republican presidential candidate, but in rich states (such as
>>>>> Connecticut), income has a very low correlation with vote
>>>>> preference. In
>>>>> addition to finding this pattern and studying its changes over
>>>>> time, we
>>>>> use the concepts of typicality and availability from cognitive
>>>>> psychology to
>>>>> explain how these patterns can be commonly misunderstood. Our
>>>>> results can be
>>>>> viewed either as a debunking of the journalistic image of rich ?latte?
>>>>> Democrats and poor ?Nascar ? Republicans, or as support for the
>>>>> journalistic
>>>>> images of political and cultural differences between red and blue
>>>>> states?differences which are not explained by differences in
>>>>> individuals'
>>>>> incomes.
>>>>>
>>>>> For decades, the Democrats have been viewed as the party of the
>>>>> poor, with
>>>>> the Republicans representing the rich. Recent presidential elections,
>>>>> however, have shown a reverse pattern, with Democrats performing
>>>>> well in the
>>>>> richer ?blue? states in the northeast and west coast, and Republicans
>>>>> dominating in the ?red? states in the middle of the country. Through
>>>>> multilevel modeling of individual-level survey data and county- and
>>>>> state-level demographic and electoral data, we reconcile these
>>>>> patterns.
>>>>> "...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.jstor.org/pss/2110937
>>>>> Economic Self-Interest and Political Behavior, by Stanley Feldman В©
>>>>> 1982
>>>>> Midwest Political Science Association.
>>>>> ..."Abstract
>>>>> The nature of the relationship between personal economic well-being
>>>>> and
>>>>> political behavior has been an object of much theory and research
>>>>> in the
>>>>> social sciences. A growing number of studies of survey data have
>>>>> concluded,
>>>>> however, that there is little or no relationship in the U.S. between
>>>>> financial well-being and political attitudes and behavior. This
>>>>> paper offers
>>>>> an explanation for these findings based on the way people perceive the
>>>>> nature of their financial well-being. The analysis shows that
>>>>> belief in
>>>>> economic individualism leads people to accept personal
>>>>> responsibility for
>>>>> their economic conditions, which in turn eliminates any connection
>>>>> between
>>>>> personal well-being and political evaluation."...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.jstor.org/pss/2111717
>>>>> ..."Group-based economic assessments affect the presidential vote
>>>>> choice,
>>>>> but, surprisingly, this influence is not a function of group
>>>>> membership,
>>>>> group identification, or traditional forms of group comparison such as
>>>>> relative deprivation. Instead, findings point to the significance of a
>>>>> unique form of group comparison, sociotropic fairness: voters are
>>>>> substantially more likely to judge the president favorably if they
>>>>> feel that
>>>>> class groups have enjoyed similar rather than dissimilar changes in
>>>>> economic
>>>>> performance. "...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Don't bust his bubble, Bob. After all, he looked it up in the World
>>>> Almanac. Gotta be true....
>>>>
>>>> jak
>>>
>>> Typical reply from the uneducated. The credits that I read in the
>>> reply were Dept. of Labor, Election Commission, Commerce Commission,
>>> etc. The Almanac does not make editorial comments but only collects
>>> information from government, religious, sports, etc, and reports in
>>> the book. Try reading history also. Can be very enlightning to those
>>> without a closed mind.
>>> I'm pretty much a democrat in my voting but I did vote for Dwight
>>> Eisenhower. I have met McCain and I don't think much of him. I
>>> haven't decided about Obama yet. Still a lot of background reading to
>>> do.
>>>
>>> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **
>>
>> You 'read' credits, but what you cited was a series of hundreds of
>> pages, with no real context or figures--even the specific tables--to
>> back your method or conclusions. Yeah, if I had the specific almanacs
>> you read, I might be able to dig--out of the dozens of articles and
>> tables you mention--something like a conclusion, but it would probably
>> not be an easy dig. Given the evidence above, I question whether it
>> says what you say (very generally) that it says.
>>
>> Bob cited and quoted articles which refuted your very general
>> contention. Yet, instead of replying to him at all, you go for ad
>> hominem.
>>
>> Not a very 'educated' response.....
>>
>> jak
>
> One of the quoted papers is a collaborative venture of these gentlemen.
> It is precisely what it claims to be, a paper, not a factual document
> and is not based on statistical records but heavily on personal opinion
> as do all of the quoted papers.
> Any subject that an assistant or professor can get published adds to his
> credentials for raises and tenure. It makes no difference what the
> subject is, or how inaccurate the discourse is, he can still say "I was
> published".
> Andrew Gelman is a professor @ Columbia University. His published papers
> include one regarding the NYPD Stop & Frisk policy and another about
> Mathematical Modeling of Trench Warfare. Not much of a viable source.
> Boris Shor is an assistant @ the University of Chicago.
> Joseph Bafuni is an assistant @ Dartmouth College.
> David Park is an assistant @ George Washington University.
>
>
> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

I don't see anything in your 'rebuttal' to refute anything in the post.
You only discount the sources.

Once you derided me as 'uneducated'. Yet you discount them *for* their
academic credentials.

Still you don't provide any specific date to back up your position.

jak
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