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Author: jakdedertjakdedert Date: Feb 8, 2008 22:40
I did some googling.
My memories were accurate as far as they went. Considerable research
and practice has gone into developing wind resistant houses...most
specifically, *hurricane* resistant. Codes in coastal areas where
hurricanes are prevalent are much more stringent than in tornado alley.
Given that tornadoes are also 'wind events' would strongly suggest
that the same techniques be applied in at least a good portion of the
rest of the interior as well.
The failure modes of various types of construction are well-defined; and
methods for strongly mitigating them are not only well-understood, but
can be easily and economically implemented--at least in new
construction--and much can be done to improve existing structures.
Estimates of cost vary, but have been stated to be around 2.5%% to 5%%
over the price of conventional new construction.
Noting that the tornado in and around Lafayette was listed as an F-2,
this quote is striking:
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Author: OlinOlin Date: Feb 9, 2008 01:08
>I did some googling.
>
> My memories were accurate as far as they went. Considerable research and
> practice has gone into developing wind resistant houses...most
> specifically, *hurricane* resistant. Codes in coastal areas where
> hurricanes are prevalent are much more stringent than in tornado alley.
> Given that tornadoes are also 'wind events' would strongly suggest that
> the same techniques be applied in at least a good portion of the rest of
> the interior as well.
>
> The failure modes of various types of construction are well-defined; and
> methods for strongly mitigating them are not only well-understood, but can
> be easily and economically implemented--at least in new construction--and
> much can be done to improve existing structures. Estimates of cost vary,
> but have been stated to be around 2.5%% to 5%% over the price of
> conventional new construction.
>
> Noting that the tornado in and around Lafayette was listed as an F-2, this ...
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Author: KDKD Date: Feb 8, 2008 23:35
On Feb 9, 3:08 am, "Olin" comcast.net> wrote:
> but if I were in the construction
> business, I don't believe I'd be making any claims that my buildings could
> withstand an F-5 tornado.
Indeed - tornado winds like that make hurricanes seem like chump
change.
-KD
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Author: jakdedertjakdedert Date: Feb 9, 2008 00:40
Olin wrote:
>
>>
>> "It may be reasoned that a home constructed in compliance with
>> hurricane coastline wind loads could withstand full exposure to
>> tornadoes classified up to F2. Since tornado forces decrease
>> dramatically within a short distance of the funnel, a well-constructed
>> home would also be less vulnerable to winds on the outer regions of
>> F3, F4, or F5 tornado."
>>
>
> I'd like to see live experiments on this one. It could likely be done in
> a wind tunnel. And maybe they've done tests, or at least simulations on
> a computer.
The best live experiment can be observed first-hand this weekend. I
plan to load up the van with the chainsaw, climbing gear, water and
ice...as well as some donated clothes etc and see for myself.
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Author: fiddler crabbyfiddler crabby Date: Feb 9, 2008 05:54
I've been considering digging a 6x6 foot hole in the back yard (not sure
how deep), lining it with concrete blocks, and covering it with a heavy
steel door that fastens from the inside with sliding bolts.
It just needs to be physically tolerable for two people, and only for a
short amount of time.
--fc
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Author: Boston Blackie (http://tinyurl.com/ynshz6)Boston Blackie (http://tinyurl.com/ynshz6) Date: Feb 9, 2008 07:14
On 2008-02-09 07:54:06 -0600, fiddler crabby
ya-nospam-hoo.com> said:
> I've been considering digging a 6x6 foot hole in the back yard (not sure
> how deep), lining it with concrete blocks, and covering it with a heavy
> steel door that fastens from the inside with sliding bolts.
>
> It just needs to be physically tolerable for two people, and only for a
> short amount of time.
>
> --fc
Yes we're gonna have a wingding
A summer smoker underground
It's just a dugout that my dad built
In case the reds decide to push the button down
We've got provisions and lots of beer
The key word is survival on the new frontier
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Author: jakdedertjakdedert Date: Feb 9, 2008 08:09
fiddler crabby wrote:
> I've been considering digging a 6x6 foot hole in the back yard (not sure
> how deep), lining it with concrete blocks, and covering it with a heavy
> steel door that fastens from the inside with sliding bolts.
>
> It just needs to be physically tolerable for two people, and only for a
> short amount of time.
>
> --fc
It won't be very tolerable if it's full of water when you need it...
jak
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Author: Paul StevensPaul Stevens Date: Feb 9, 2008 08:08
"fiddler crabby" ya-nospam-hoo.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.2216cc8da48bfbd69898ca@news.newsguy.com...
> I've been considering digging a 6x6 foot hole in the back yard (not sure
> how deep), lining it with concrete blocks, and covering it with a heavy
> steel door that fastens from the inside with sliding bolts.
>
> It just needs to be physically tolerable for two people, and only for a
> short amount of time.
>
> --fc
When going underground, you have to take the entryway into account.
A ladder with an overhead hatch would be the minimum required for a
simple storm cellar, but can you safely get through that hatch and...
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Author: OlinOlin Date: Feb 9, 2008 09:05
> Olin wrote:
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>>>
>>> "It may be reasoned that a home constructed in compliance with hurricane
>>> coastline wind loads could withstand full exposure to tornadoes
>>> classified up to F2. Since tornado forces decrease dramatically within
>>> a short distance of the funnel, a well-constructed home would also be
>>> less vulnerable to winds on the outer regions of F3, F4, or F5 tornado."
>>>
>>
>> I'd like to see live experiments on this one. It could likely be done in
>> a wind tunnel. And maybe they've done tests, or at least simulations on a
>> computer.
>
> The best live experiment can be observed first-hand this weekend. I plan
> to load up the van with the chainsaw, climbing gear, water and ice...as ...
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Author: maxomaxo Date: Feb 9, 2008 09:22
On Feb 9, 7:54 am, fiddler crabby ya-nospam-hoo.com>
wrote:
> I've been considering digging a 6x6 foot hole in the back yard (not sure
> how deep), lining it with concrete blocks, and covering it with a heavy
> steel door that fastens from the inside with sliding bolts.
>
> It just needs to be physically tolerable for two people, and only for a
> short amount of time.
Yeah, the Witnesses are terrible this time of year!
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