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Group: nashville.general · Group Profile
Author: David MoffittDavid Moffitt Date: Dec 20, 2007 21:39
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| "David Moffitt" weaselstomping.org> wrote in message
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| > "Olin" comcast.net> wrote in message
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| > | "David Moffitt" weaselstomping.org> wrote in message
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| > | > "Olin" comcast.net> wrote in message
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| > | > | "Richard Thomas" dicksonlife.com> wrote in message
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| > | > | > On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 07:41:55 -0600, "Olin" comcast.net>
| > wrote:
| > | > | >
| > | > | >>The real question remains... at what point do we end the
argument
| > over
| > | > | >>terminology and recognize that laying more of the burden off
onto
| > the
| > | > | >>people
| > | > | >>least able to pay is ONLY an answer for those most able to pay?
| > | > | >
| > | > | > But it isn't the only answer for those most able to pay. There's
| > also
| > | > | > the current situation which is to lay the burden off of those
| > least
| > | > | > able to pay *and* those most able to pay and lay it on the
middle
| > | > | > classes.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > That burden is, of course used to pay for services for those
| > unable
| > to
| > | > | > pay. This takes place by passing that money to businesses which
| > are
| > | > | > owned by those most able to pay.
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Personally, I'm not for increasing taxes on the poor but I sure
as
| > | > | > hell know they aren't going to vote for tax cuts for the middle
| > | > | > classes whie the current situation endures.
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | > | The middle class has always paid the largest share of the tax
| > burden.
| > | > With
| > | > | the lobbying power of the uber rich and the lack of resources of
the
| > | > poor,
| > | > I
| > | > | don't really see that changing much at all.
| > | > |
| > | > | And tacking on taxes to businesses simply moves the weapon... not
| > the
| > | > | target. Any business that can will simply figure their tax bill
into
| > | > their
| > | > | overhead and pass as much of it as they possibly can on to the
| > consumer.
| > | > |
| > | > | The only difference there is, the business gets the deduction...
not
| > the
| > | > | schlub who's paying a large share of the tax.
| > | >
| > | > So what is your solution? If you raise taxes the cost is passed on
to
| > the
| > | > consumer. If you give the government more money they will find some
| > more
| > | > pork barrel projects to spend it on to buy votes. Here is a unique
| > | > solution,
| > | > cut federal spending. We do not need more bridges to nowhere or golf
| > | > courses
| > | > named after congressmen..
| > | >
| > |
| > | Well, for starters, if the republicans had done what they claimed they
| > were
| > | going to do at any point in the last thirty years, i.e. cut taxes AND
| > | spending, we'd be much better off than now... and they wouldn't be
| > cutting
| > | and running for cover and pandering to every nutball in the country,
| > hoping
| > | for a vote or two.
| >
| > As opposed to the Democrats who raise taxes and spending?
| >
|
| Addressed later in the thread, but just for fun. Yeah, okay... democrats
tax
| and spend. Republicans BORROW and spend.
|
| Every single recent record deficit has come at the hands of a "fiscally
| responsible" republican administration, often helped out along the way by
| conservative democrats.
|
| Care to tell me which is cheaper, raising taxes and paying cash, or using
| the country's credit card and paying interest?
#3 Not spending like a drunk whore with someone elses money.
|
| > |
| > | As it is, there are two presidents who've managed to actually balance
a
| > | budget and only one to ever present a balanced budget proposal to
| > congress.
| > | One was Bill Clinton. Claim all the smoke and mirrors you choose, as
did
| > the
| > | republicans for almost two years running up to Shrub getting elected,
| > but
| > | Slick balanced that budget and actually paid down some of Reagan's
| > leftover
| > | debt.
| >
| > Projected balance after he left office. Politicians work with a lot of
| > smoke
| > and mirrors.
| >
|
| None the less, he did it. And, he left office with a projected surplus.
Correct it was projected----- 10 years AFTER he left office.
|
| What are Shrub's chances of leaving office with even a slightly smaller
| deficit?
Slim considering there is a war going on.
|
| > |
| > | The only president to actually send congress a balanced proposal since
| > | before WWII was Lyndon Johnson.
| > |
| > | It didn't take Shrub long to blow through that, and a whole lot more.
| > |
| > | There's a reason for that. You recall the old saw about how democrats
| > tax
| > | and spend? Well, the rest of that goes, republicans borrow and spend.
| > Under
| > | Reagan, Bush the Elder and now the Shrub, we've actually had
politicians
| > who
| > | made their bones complaining about deficit spending completely turn
| > their
| > | backs on their promises, throw caution to the wind and drag out the
| > public
| > | credit card to pay for the things THEY wanted. They've actually used
| > phrases
| > | like, "The deficit is not a problem."
| >
| > Congressmen tack a lot of pork onto every bill that comes through.
| >
|
| And that excuses promising fiscal responsibility and delivering what we've
| gotten, precisely, how?
Can't be done when every politican is buying votes with pork barrel
projects. Sort of like the governor's bunker.
|
| > |
| > | Right along with "the constitution is nothing but a damned piece of
| > paper,"
| > | so I'm thinking the "solution" probably IS the problem. "We" elected
| > these
| > | clowns to fix these problems and all they've done is made 'em much,
much
| > | worse.
| >
| > APPLAUSE!
| >
|
| Do recall, it was conservatives who made those statements.
|
| It was conservatives who gave us the budgets these recent years, and it's
| conservatives who get to carry the deficit monkey around with 'em.
|
| For all but the last couple years, the water on that front has been
carried
| entirely by republicans, and their legacy is abysmal as should be noted by
| anybody with an IQ over thirty and even the most rudimentary math skills.
|
| Under the single most liberal administration this country's ever seen...
| even under the wildest pipe dreams of liberal wannabes that never had a
| chance in hell of passing a parked car, much less a bill, I seriously our
| national debt situation could possibly have been any worse than it is
right
| now.
|
| Oh yeah, it's all about 9/11. Give me a break! Have you noticed we never
| caught the asshole responsible for that? Have you noticed the numbnutz in
| charge is on record saying that's no longer important.
|
| The last US president to wage a war following a sneak attack, kicked ass
and
| took names AND found ways to pass legislation to give hope to a hopeless
| nation, even with a mostly hostile congress!
He let the Generals run the war and not politicians.
|
| This rabble enjoys a record just a little bit less stellar... even while
| enjoying pretty much a rubber stamp congress.
|
| The comparisons are simply startling!
Yep.
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