"David Moffitt"
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> "Olin"
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> | "David Moffitt" weaselstomping.org> wrote in message
> | > |
> | > | Celibacy is a choice. There are no credible scientists of which I'm
> | > aware
> | > | who believe sexual orientation is a matter of choice.
> | >
> | > Like a pedophile they choose to act on the orientation.
> | >
> |
> | True, there are some homosexual pedophiles, but the larger majority of
> them
> | are heterosexual... so I guess by your statement above, anybody acting
> on
> | ANY sexual orientation whatsoever is nothing but a crook.
>
> Depending on the orientation.
> |
Huh? Do I take that to mean that only homosexual pedophiles are in error,
while the much larger number of heterosexual pedophiles are okay???
> | Look, what two people do with and to each other behind closed doors as
> | consenting adults is none of my, or your, business. And expecting
> anybody
> to
> | deny their orientation, especially when it involves monogamy with
> another
> | adult, is about the best recipe I can think of for soon requiring a LOT
> more
> | mental wards.
> |
> | >
> | > I have yet to witness one being arrested.
> | >
> |
> | Then, you do not read the newspapers.
>
> They are arresting HIV patients?
>
Oh, good grief. In the last few years, there have been at least two or three
cases across the nation where some idiot infected with HIV was arrested for
having unprotected sex and purposely infecting others.
So yeah, they are being arrested if they're committing such a crime, and
that's exactly what that is.
BTW, not all the miscreants were males.
> |
> | > |
> | > | But my neighbor is a hep c victim, and he's not quarantined. Several
> | > years
> | > | ago, I contracted hep A at a dinner party, and was put in isolation
> in
> | > the
> | > | hospital for about a week. Took about a year and a half to fully
> recover
> | > | from it, but no ill effects since, and in all those diseases, it
> takes
> a
> | > LOT
> | > | more contact than TB does to spread it around.
> | >
> | > They interviewed you for all of your contacts didn't they.
> | >
> |
> | Nope. It was FOOD-BORNE. The lady who held the dinner party and prepared
> all
> | the food had contracted the disease eating shell fish in a restaurant
> | several days earlier.
>
> So how did you know when and how she contracted it? They tracked her
> contacts, aka ~you~.
>
BECAUSE SHE TOLD ME... a couple days after the party. However, before I
could go get a gammaglobulin shot, I had already come down with not only Hep
A, but viral pneumonia as well. What fun that all was.
If they tracked anybody at all, they did it behind all our backs, because
everybody who got infected was a friend, and nobody ever said anything about
any doctor asking, once the dinner party was brought up.
> |
> | She knew she was sick, but she thought it was the flu. And, she wound up
> | infecting about ten or fifteen people at the party, but nobody
> questioned
> | anybody about any kind of contact at all.
>
> So she was never asked about her contacts. Hummmmm--- How did you find out
> you were infected?
>
Uh, got sick as a dog. Went to a doctor and was diagnosed with viral
pneumonia. When the medicine he gave me for that did not work, I got my butt
hauled back to the doc, who said the pneumonia was clearing up and we began
to look for other symptons, i.e. yellow palms, yellowish eyes, and a
ridiculous level of fatigue... along with some other rather graphic
symptoms.
That was in my old hometown, because I could not have driven twenty feet, so
I was driven to my childhood doc who put me in the hospital for a week's
worth of isolation and took me off work for three months while I laid around
and ate decent food and chewed vitamins.
> |
> | By not responding to the direct question, I'm guessing you're of the
> belief
> | that the local government will always look for the best contract, for
> the
> | best price, by the best company.
>
> They should.
>
But, they didn't. And, still don't, in spite of laws to the contrary. THAT
is the point!
> Let me offer you a clue. They won't. They
> | never have, and left to their own devices, they never will.
>
> Yep! Kickbacks talk loud.
>
Even with laws to prevent that... yeah, they surely do.
> |
> | Even WITH legislation that requires them to throw a bone at diversity,
> there
> | are still a staggering number of good friend and brother-in-law deals
> cut
> in
> | the halls of local government, and no few politicians wind up doing some
> | jail time, or at least time looking for another job after they're kicked
> out
> | of office for such dealings.
>
> As they should be. If a black business does the best job they should get
> it.
> Same goes for any race. You should not get substandard service because it
> was an oriental businesses turn to get a contract.
>
WHAT????? Most of the substandard work is being turned in by the local
government's good buddies and their aversion to obeying the law.
It's even worse at the federal level. Haliburton, for example, got paid a
ton of money for importing oil into Iraq. A subsidiary of theirs got caught
billing for work after Katrina that never got done. Another subsidiary "won"
the contract for collecting and processing the bodies... the self-same
Haliburton subsidiary that fell into a world of trouble for mishandling just
such a contract from an earlier disaster.
THAT, my friend, is a pretty good example of what government will do in
letting contracts, in spite of the best legislative efforts to prevent such
buddy-buddy bullshit!
You REALLY think they'll do any better if you remove all constraints?
I sure don't.
> | >
> | > Quarantining patients is actually too harsh. We need to identify them
> and
> | > institute some kind of control to arrest the spread of the disease.
> What
> | > kind? I do not know at present.
> | >
> |
> | Oddly enough, HIV patients have done that, in large part themselves.
> Don't
> | know about here, but in several cities around the country, they managed
> to
> | set up a separate blood supply with Red Cross so they could donate
> blood.
>
> Not here.
>
Then that's a case of the local Red Cross chapter just simply preferring to
be a part of the problem, rather than a part of the solution.
It's really not that hard to keep two blood supplies separate, especially in
light of the fact that they already do that with the various bloodtypes.
> |
> | That said, quarantine IS what one conservative presidential candiate is
> | seriously proposing.
>
> Yep.
>
> |
> | We don't even quarantine lepers to anywhere near the extent that was
> once
> | practiced.
>
> True.
>
> |
> | > Mormons are more conservative than me. There has always been
> disagreements
> | > between Christian sects. The Baptist do not agree with the Methodist
> who
> | > do
> | > not agree with the Catholics who do not agree with the ..........
> | >
> |
> | Hardly. I have a very good friend here in Nashville who's a Mormon. He's
> | actually quite well known and I've known and worked with him since the
> | Austin radio days. He would quickly agree that the conservative agenda
> of
> | today is largely racist, in effect if not actual intent.
> |
> | And yes, there have always been disagreements between the various
> | denominations, which is THE principal reason religion should NEVER be
> | allowed any but ancillary entry into politics... OR vice versa!
>
> Very true, but politics could use a large dose of morality.
>
Sorry, but if politics is business and business is politics, morality
doesn't even enter into the equation. It is not up to the politician to stay
on the straight and narrow. It's up to his/her boss to make them clearly
understand that the boss (voters) is watching. This IS a participatory
democratic republic... not some pollyanna palace where you make your wish
known and the politician scurries off to make it happen. Everybody's gotta
keep at least an eye on 'em all the time, and there are times when a gun
might help some too.
> |
> | I'll guarantee you that IF it ever comes to pass to the extent some
> would
> | just love, Romney's asinine statement that there can be "no freedom
> without
> | religion" will have been the kindest thought imaginable. You will see a
> | conflagration that would make the Irish Protestant versus Catholics and
> ALL
> | the varied factions in the Middle East look like a game of musical
> chairs.
>
> Maybe.
>
Ain't no maybe about it. It's a prediction based on pretty solid and
observable evidence... and borne out in every theocracy I can think of
through history.
> |
> | > |
> | > | He even tried to pull a John Kennedy, but then, he's no John
> Kennedy,
> | > and
> | > | never will be.
> | > |
> | > | > | > We should have a flat tax where everyone pays their fair
> share.
> | > | > | >
> | > | > |
> | > | > | You ARE aware that a flat tax, while all nice and fluffy
> sounding,
> | > is
> | > | > about
> | > | > | as regressive as a value added tax. Are you seriously gonna try
> to
> | > argue
> | > | > | that a ten percent (just to pick a possible number out of thin
> air)
> | > tax
> | > | > does
> | > | > | not impact a person making twenty thousand dollars a year much
> more
> | > than
> | > | > a
> | > | > | counterpart pulling down a hundred grand?
> | > | >
> | > | > One pays $2,000 the other pays $10,000.
> | > | >
> | > |
> | > | Sigh. Consider the impact. Two grand taken from twenty is a LOT more
> | > | significant than ten grand from a hundred.
> | >
> | > It's still an equal ammount 10%%.
> | >
> |
> | Let me put it to you this way. You spend a year living on eighteen
> grand,
> | and the following year living on ninety grand and get back to us and let
> us
> | know which was easier.
>
> I have done both. I cut my living expenses.
>
That's wonderful. Unfortunately, that's not possible in all cases.
> |
> | You really are failing to take into account the impact on lower income
> | people, which is why its called a regressive tax.
>
> So how are they to pay their fair share?
>
What IS a fair share?
Lemme try this on ya. Few years back, Shrub was wailing big tears over the
inheritance tax and crying that it was gonna mean the government would come
take your home when momma cast off this mortal coil.
He damned well knew then that that particular tax affected maybe the top
three percent of American families, especially as the state he'd just been
governor of had a floor of between a half million and a million dollars
before an estate even came to the tax man's attention.
One of the few families affected turned out to be the Waltons, they of
Wally-World, the company that brags about buying American, when in point of
fact much of its cheap crap comes from China, pays most of its employees
diddly and until considerable public and political pressure was brought to
bear, afforded NO health care at any price whatsoever to its workers.
That inheritance tax was gonna hit them so hard that they spent enough money
lobbying congress to take care of probably fifty or sixty families for many
years... several million dollars.
Their reason? After that tax kicked in, they'd only have SEVENTY FIVE
BILLION dollars left over.
Why, they might have to start jet pooling... just imagine the horror.
Now, I think I know what you'll say in response, but I personally feel their
"fair share" is a damned sight larger than the same percentage point paid by
some schlub working at least one 8-10 dollar an hour gig to help feed a
small family.
