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Author: OlinOlin Date: Oct 21, 2007 11:56
The rush to secure borders is leading in some entertaining directions.
First of all, even an American citizen really needs a US passport (now more
costly and takes longer to get because of the rush to get one) to get back
home.
From a New York Times article...
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The new policy is a big shift after decades when Americans arrived at land
border crossings, declared they were citizens and were waved on through.
Since the authorities began ramping up enforcement in August, wait times at
border stations in Texas have often stretched to two hours or more,
discouraging visitors and shoppers and upsetting local business.
The delays could remain a fact of life across the southern border for the
next few years, border officials said, at least until new security
technology and expanded entry stations are installed and until Americans get
used to being checked and questioned like foreigners. Last year 234 million
travelers entered the United States through land border crossings from
Mexico.
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Author: Boston Blackie (You've got to be freakin' kidding me?)Boston Blackie (You've got to be freakin' kidding me?) Date: Oct 21, 2007 17:36
On 2007-10-21 13:56:39 -0500, "Olin" comcast.net> said:
> until Americans get
> used to being checked and questioned like foreigners.
By God, if you ain't an angry White Christian Male, you ARE a foreigner!
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Author: OlinOlin Date: Oct 21, 2007 20:57
"Boston Blackie (You've got to be freakin' kidding me?)" mail.com>
wrote in message news:2007102119365027544-bblackie@mailcom...> On 2007-10-21 13:56:39 -0500, "Olin" comcast.net> said:
>>> until Americans get
>> used to being checked and questioned like foreigners.
>
> By God, if you ain't an angry White Christian Male, you ARE a foreigner!
>
Well, I'm male, white, even nominally Christian, but the only people I can
see to even be a might peeved with are the maroons who figure it's worth
nailing their fellow Americans' collective hides and livelihoods to the wall
to put the finishing touches on an "issue" that was wholly manufactured to
take minds of other, far more serious issues.
Them, and the folks who tell us this'll all help, still after test runs
showed airport security are missing 60 percent of the fake bombs, and 75%%
are being missed at LAX.
Sure makes me feel safer.
Does that count?
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Author: Boston Blackie (You've got to be freakin' kidding me?)Boston Blackie (You've got to be freakin' kidding me?) Date: Oct 21, 2007 22:36
On 2007-10-21 22:57:29 -0500, "Olin" comcast.net> said:
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> "Boston Blackie (You've got to be freakin' kidding me?)" mail.com>
> wrote in message news:2007102119365027544-bblackie@mailcom...>> On 2007-10-21 13:56:39 -0500, "Olin"
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Author: OlinOlin Date: Oct 22, 2007 05:36
"Boston Blackie (You've got to be freakin' kidding me?)" mail.com>
wrote in message news:2007102200365816807-bblackie@mailcom...> On 2007-10-21 22:57:29 -0500, "Olin" comcast.net> said:
>>>
>> "Boston Blackie (You've got to be freakin' kidding me?)"
>> mail.com>
>> wrote in message news:2007102119365027544-bblackie@mailcom...>>> On 2007-10-21 13:56:39 -0500, "Olin" comcast.net> said:
>>>>>>> until Americans get
>>>> used to being checked and questioned like foreigners.
>>>
>>> By God, if you ain't an angry White Christian Male, you ARE a foreigner!
>>>
>>
>> Well, I'm male, white, even nominally Christian, but the only people I
>> can
>> see to even be a might peeved with are the maroons who figure it's worth
>> nailing their fellow Americans' collective hides and livelihoods to the ...
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Author: OlinOlin Date: Oct 22, 2007 17:07
"Cyrus Afzali" wrote in message
news:2dbqh3lcd1ieamk3f913v9gdo1e1bd8mer@4ax.com...> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:56:39 -0500, "Olin" comcast.net> wrote:
>>>The rush to secure borders is leading in some entertaining directions.
>>
>>First of all, even an American citizen really needs a US passport (now
>>more
>>costly and takes longer to get because of the rush to get one) to get back
>>home.
>
> One could argue the original policy made no sense, though. I mean,
> subjecting air travelers to a different standard than motor vehicles
> never made sense. At least on the air side of things, some form of
> citizenship has been required forever, even if it was a birth
> certificate rather than a passport.
>
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Date: Oct 23, 2007 22:14
Olin wrote:
> "Cyrus Afzali" wrote in message
> news:2dbqh3lcd1ieamk3f913v9gdo1e1bd8mer@4ax.com...>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:56:39 -0500, "Olin" comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>The rush to secure borders is leading in some entertaining directions.
>>>
>>>First of all, even an American citizen really needs a US passport (now
>>>more
>>>costly and takes longer to get because of the rush to get one) to get back
>>>home.
>>
>> One could argue the original policy made no sense, though. I mean,
>> subjecting air travelers to a different standard than motor vehicles
>> never made sense. At least on the air side of things, some form of
>> citizenship has been required forever, even if it was a birth
>> certificate rather than a passport.
>>
>
> Can't argue that, save for the simple fact that Canada and Mexico have ...
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Author: OlinOlin Date: Oct 24, 2007 05:54
>
> Olin wrote:
>> "Cyrus Afzali" wrote in message
>> news:2dbqh3lcd1ieamk3f913v9gdo1e1bd8mer@4ax.com...>>> On Sun, 21 Oct 2007 13:56:39 -0500, "Olin" comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>The rush to secure borders is leading in some entertaining directions.
>>>>
>>>>First of all, even an American citizen really needs a US passport (now
>>>>more
>>>>costly and takes longer to get because of the rush to get one) to get
>>>>back
>>>>home.
>>>
>>> One could argue the original policy made no sense, though. I mean,
>>> subjecting air travelers to a different standard than motor vehicles
>>> never made sense. At least on the air side of things, some form of
>>> citizenship has been required forever, even if it was a birth ...
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Author: JCroweJCrowe Date: Oct 24, 2007 14:44
> Olin wrote:
>> Well, you may be right, but I recall reading some articles that seemed to
>> indicate the price had gone up, even without expediting.
It has gone up over time. The current price is $97 which includes a
$12 security surcharge as of 2005. Recommended expiditing of the
passport runs another $60 which runs the price to $157. Reference:
http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/fees/fees_837.html
It would be very interesting as a test to see how long the run of the
mill $97 passport would take without the $60 expidition fee.
>>
>> I really do need to go get another one, because they're really quite handy
>> things to have.
>>
>> But still, requiring two and three hour waits to come home is a bit
>> ridiculous, never mind that there aren't likely to be carloads of terrorists
>> waiting in line with you. Even the old system accounted for some long waits
>> and no shortage of surly guards and travelers, but nothing quite like this.
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