"Cyrus Afzali"
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news:4vl4d4djvjgut2j9ltksjsiqpimh9fcnmb@4ax.com...> On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 17:48:15 -0500, "Kent Finnell"
>
bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>"Cyrus Afzali"
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>>news:6cp2d45lbfalc212cej4eoe0bna49oq51j@4ax.com...>
>>> Sarah Palin is on record saying that an Israeli decision
>>> to attack
>>> Iran shouldn't be second guessed and that we shouldn't
>>> interfere. She
>>> forgets the fact that we've already interfered through
>>> the
>>> fact that
>>> we give Israel cheap weaponry.
>>>
>>> This bullshit about supporting Israel is wearing thin
>>> since it's our
>>> support for Israel that makes us the target of
>>> terrorists
>>> around the
>>> country. See, that's the real truth, but it doesn't
>>> sound
>>> as good.
>>>>
>>>>Sarah "BaRRacuda" Palin seems to have you boys wetting
>>>>your
>>>>pants.
>>>
>>> Not wetting my pants, just realizing how stupid we are.
>>> Honestly,
>>> we're falling for someone with questionable ethics just
>>> because she
>>> hunts and represents a state with oil. Chanting "drill
>>> baby, drill"
>>> was probably one of the most stupid things I've ever
>>> seen.
>>>
>>> Honestly, it's truly sad that a country that once prided
>>> itself on
>>> sending a man to the moon has no desire whatsoever to
>>> innovate
>>> anymore. We're losing our standing in the world on many
>>> fronts and
>>> appear to be fat and happy about it.
>>
>>There you go again with the "we" bit, Cyrus. You're
>>speaking for the whole country? Oh, excuse me, the
>>collective? If it doesn't meet YOUR standards, it's wrong
>>and stupid.
>
> There you go again with the stupid putdowns and no
> explanation. You
> may really have lost it, Kent. I don't always agree with
> Blackie or
> maxo and can see where you think there's not a lot of
> substance to
> their arguments. That said, you really don't prove
> anything here.
>
> One can legitimately question whether our support of
> Israel to the
> extent that it's existed over the last 30 years is truly
> in the
> nation's best interest.
So it would be ok to throw it over board if there is the
slightest hint that it might not be in our best interes?
Gee, with allies like that, Israel would need no enemies.
>>
>>Apparently you're more concerned about your Persian roots
>>than you are over the well being of Israel.
Admitted cheap shot, sorry about that.
>>If Iran takes
>>Israel, is Saudi Arabia far behind? Israel has no right
>>to
>>defend itself? The President of Iran hasn't declared that
>>Israel must be destroyed? That the Holocaust never
>>happened? How much are you willing to surrender to that
>>nut
>>job? Do you really want him to have nukes and a strangle
>>hold on a majority of the world's oil supply?
>
> First of all, this has zippo to do with my ancestry and
> everythiing to
> do with the fact that I actually have been to that region
> of the world
> and know a fair amount about it. Conversely, most
> Americans think
> Iranians and Turks are Arabs because we're a nation that's
> largely
> ignorant on many fronts.
You left out the Kurds, which is beside the point. Shortly
after 9/11 some nut jobs attacked a Sheikh store owner
because he was wearing traditional head garb which they
thought was Arab. Stupidity is a universal commodity.
> Honestly, I was told that my entire life
> growing up in TN. Ohhh, you're an Aaa-rab. This is why I
> have the
> perspective I do on Sarah Palin. I really do believe her
> naiviety and
> lack of knowledge about the world is attractive to some
> people and I
> find that sad. I want our country to have the best leaders
> possible,
> not someone who can't rise above the average commoner.
Commoner? We have royality now? I wouldn't be surprised to
find out that she's being vetted on all things international
even as I type.
>
> Israel certainly has a right to defend itself, but it's
> gone on the
> attack against others under questionable circumstances
> many times in
> its brief history as well.
>
> Every time Israel does something, it does so under
> questionable
> circumstances. In other words, its actions are as much
> about power and
> influence as they are any act of defense.
From your perspective, but Israel was founded in large part
by Holocaust survivors and Russian Jews who had fled the
oppression of the Soviets. "Never again" is more than a
bumper sticker motto.
>
> I've gone on record many, many, many, many times as saying
> the
> president of Iran is a damn loon and is doing nothing but
> trying to
> advance his standing among radicals on the international
> scene. Saying
> stupid things like the Holocaust didn't happen doesn't
> even merit a
> response, yet he provokes them from the international
> community. If
> people just paid no attention to the assclown, his
> influence, whatever
> it is, would wane.
Just ignoring blood thirsty loons doen't make them go away.
Neither does playing nice and negotiating with them, with or
without pre-conditions. It didn't work with Hitler, Stalin,
Pol Pot, or Saddam. It won't work with Ahmadinejad (bitch
to spell, isn't it .. I like Leno's Ah-ma-nutjob). Hell,
it's barely working with the ailing North Korean Bantam
rooster, Kim Jong-Il.
>
> As far as nukes, I see the danger in him having them;
> having said
> that, did you worry as much about Pakistan having them?
> India? My
> point is there are a number of loons in the world with
> access to
> nukes, biological agents, etc.
The horses have long been out of the Pakistan and Indian
barns. And wasn't it a Pakistani scientist who sold North
Korea and Iran atomic "secrets"?
I read a brief report just recently stating that the U.S. is
selling Israel some modern blockbuster bombs (back to your
point about military sales). I wonder of a number of MOABs
(Mother of All Bombs) are included. Israel ended Saddam's
nuclear dreams by a pre-emptive strike on his single site
that was relatively exposed. Nutjob learned a lesson from
his neighbor/enemy ... spread them and hide them deep.
MOABs penetrate several yards of concrete, rock, and steel
before exploding. Could it be?
If Israel does strike at Iran's nuclear facilities, the
strike will most likely be between Nov.4, 2008 and Jan. 20,
2009. After a new president is chosen and before he takes
office. (Damn, there I go again, being a hate mongering,
fear mongering, blood thirsty war monger).
Just the way I see it.
--
Security, like liberty, has to be won and re-won many times
...
Linus from Charles Schulz's Peanuts 1958
From the Music City USA
Kent Finnell
