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Group: nashville.general · Group Profile
Author: David MoffittDavid Moffitt Date: Nov 9, 2007 17:07
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| > | > | > | Boston Blackie (You've got to be freakin' kidding me?) wrote:
| > | > | > | > On 2007-11-08 08:39:34 -0600, "David Moffitt" said:
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >> 14 Reasons to Deport Illegal Aliens...
| > | > | > | >>
| > | > | > | >> 1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to
illegal
| > | > aliens
| > | > | > each
| > | > | > | >> year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > FAIR rejects criticism that it is racist, xenophobic, and
| > | > | > | > anti-immigrant. Such criticisms are leveled not only by
| > liberal
| > | > and
| > | > | > | > pro-immigrant groups, but also by many conservatives and
such
| > | > | > | > business-oriented publications as the Wall Street Journal.
(9)
| > | > | > According
| > | > | > | > to FAIR, "We have a clear and consistent record of
discussing
| > | > | > | > immigration policy and how it should be reformed to serve
the
| > | > | > interests
| > | > | > | > of this nation. FAIR has very clearly and consistently drawn
| > the
| > | > | > | > distinction between immigration policy and immigrants." With
| > | > respect
| > | > | > to
| > | > | > | > charges that the immigration policies it advocates and its
| > | > educational
| > | > | > | > activities are racist, FAIR responds: "There are always
people
| > who
| > | > | > | > support the right idea for the wrong reasons--but that
doesn't
| > | > make
| > | > | > the
| > | > | > | > idea itself wrong. None of this changes the fact that
bringing
| > a
| > | > | > million
| > | > | > | > additional people from other countries into this one is
| > disruptive
| > | > to
| > | > | > | > our economy, our society, and our environment. We condemn
| > racism.
| > | > But
| > | > | > we
| > | > | > | > also condemn the use of terms such as 'anti-immigrant,'
| > 'racist,'
| > | > or
| > | > | > | > 'xenophobe' as they are used to try to stifle open, honest
| > | > discussion
| > | > | > of
| > | > | > | > how our immigration policy is impacting the country."
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > Source: http://tinyurl.com/33lduj
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | > (9) "Borderline Republicans," Wall Street Journal, June 17,
| > 2004.
| > | > | > | > http://tinyurl.com/366a6q
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > | >
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | And F.A.I.R. is the ultimate source for many of the statistics
| > | > presented
| > | > | > | in the OP, not CNN, as Nurse Moppet seems to intimate. In
fact
| > all
| > | > the
| > | > | > | sources above which seem to be attributed to CNN are from a
| > couple
| > | > of
| > | > | > | episodes of 'Lou Dobbs Tonight' and all seem to be unsupported
| > | > | > | pronouncements by F.A.I.R. or similar organizations. I'm not
| > going
| > | > to
| > | > | > | read every transcript to verify; but the few I clicked and
| > searched
| > | > | > | support that, to wit:
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | "The Federation for American Immigration Reform says taxpayers
| > spend
| > | > $12
| > | > | > | billion a year on primary and secondary school education for
| > | > children
| > | > | > | here illegally. Another $17 billion for the American-born
| > children
| > | > of
| > | > | > | illegal aliens, known as anchor babies."
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | <http://www.mediamouse.org/resources/right.php?orgId=7>
| > | > | > | "The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) was
| > founded
| > | > in
| > | > | > | 1978 by John Tanton of Petoskey, Michigan. FAIR is one of the
| > | > | > | best-financed and most active anti-immigration groups and is
| > part
| > of
| > | > a
| > | > | > | network of anti-immigration groups associated with Tanton
| > (source).
| > | > | > | FAIR's stated purpose is to "end illegal immigration" and "to
| > set
| > | > legal
| > | > | > | immigration at the lowest feasible levels consistent with the
| > | > | > | demographic, economic, social, and environmental realities."
| > While
| > | > FAIR
| > | > | > | claims it is not xenophobic or racist and has denounced white
| > | > | > | supremacists publicly, throughout its history it has had
| > connections
| > | > to
| > | > | > | white supremacists, especially. Even more disturbing, FAIR
| > accepted
| > | > $1.2
| > | > | > | million from the Pioneer Fund during the years 1985 to 1994,
| > despite
| > | > the
| > | > | > | Pioneer Fund being described by eugenics expert Barry Mehler
as
| > a
| > | > | > | "neo-Nazi organization, tied to the Nazi eugenics program in
the
| > | > 1930s,
| > | > | > | that has never wavered in its commitment to eugenics and ideas
| > of
| > | > human
| > | > | > | and racial inferiority and superiority (source)." When this
link
| > was
| > | > | > | exposed in 1988, Tanton said that he knew nothing of the
Pioneer
| > | > Fund's
| > | > | > | history and continued to accept funding from them until 1994.
A
| > | > series
| > | > | > | of memos from the 1980s outline Tanton's political strategy of
| > | > taking
| > | > on
| > | > | > | not just "lllegal" but legal immigration, as well revealing
| > Tanton's
| > | > use
| > | > | > | of derogatory terminology to describe Latinos."
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | Nice(?) try, Muppet. It's funny how those on your side of the
| > swamp
| > | > | > | criticize CNN at every turn, but use them to supposedly give
an
| > aura
| > | > of
| > | > | > | legitimacy to your hate-filled screeds.
| > | > | > |
| > | > | > | jak
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Post one example where I have critized CNN. That is an awful
broad
| > | > brush
| > | > | > you
| > | > | > are painting with. OTOH I do not support any of President Bush's
| > | > | > immigration
| > | > | > plans.
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | > | There is a tiny bit here with which to agree. Not every single
| > | > conservative,
| > | > | self-styled or rather obvious, is always critical of CNN. But, the
| > vast
| > | > | majority I've run across are.
| > | > |
| > | > | Two questions are left to answer, especially considering all that
| > money
| > | > | we've spent on anchor babies. That one makes me wonder just when
we
| > are
| > | > | gonna arrest Arlen Specter and at least two other members of
| > Congress,
| > | > | seeing as how they ARE anchor babies.
| > | >
| > | > Were the parents "illegal" aliens?
| > | >
| > |
| > | Pray tell, how else WOULD they have become anchor babies?
| > |
| > | > |
| > | > | The second question deals with value and freely concedes there are
| > some
| > | > | fairly nefarious bastards crossing that border (and the other
border
| > | > too,
| > | > | not to forget virtually every other international port into the
USA,
| > | > though
| > | > | we seem to focus mainly on the Mexican border). All those
nefarious
| > | > bastards
| > | > | share a major connection with our homegrown nefarious bastards in
| > that
| > | > they
| > | > | are, not to put too fine a point on it, nefarious bastards.
| > | > |
| > | > | However, that does not constitute all the traffic across that, or
| > any
| > | > other,
| > | > | border. I personally know, and I'll wager most in here do as well,
| > | > though
| > | > | they may not wish to admit it, or even know that they know it,
| > several
| > | > | illegals who have been here for years, work jobs, own homes, pay
| > taxes
| > | > and
| > | > | in many cases own businesses and make a payroll, offering up jobs
to
| > any
| > | > and
| > | > | all who apply and qualify, including native-born US citizens.
| > | > |
| > | > | That last category would be mostly a thing of the past if a
certain
| > | > | Coloradan gets his way, but for now, born here means citizen here,
| > | > UNLESS
| > | > it
| > | > | can be demonstrated that both parents are foreign born, not here
| > legally
| > | > and
| > | > | have no intention to make the US their permanent home.
| > | >
| > | > IMHO Babies of illegals should not be given citizenship.
| > | >
| > |
| > | So, you agree with current US immigration law, which states the same
| > thing.
| > | Regardless of what that Colorado moron says, regardless of the endless
| > tripe
| > | of your average ranch-stash skinhead, regardless of the email hoaxes
to
| > the
| > | contrary, the children of illegals are NOT automatically US citizens
| > NOW!
| > |
| > | > |
| > | > | Pesky little thing called immigration law... it already spells out
| > what
| > | > can
| > | > | and can not happen regarding birth, but sycophants have never let
| > the
| > | > truth
| > | > | get in the way of a good, scary rant.
| > | > |
| > | > | But, here's the question. Does one seriously consider it to be a
| > good
| > | > thing
| > | > | to blow up and kick to the curb several decades of work, tax
paying
| > and
| > | > a
| > | > | generally productive life here, taking with it the jobs of US
native
| > | > borns,
| > | > | simply to prove a point?
| > | >
| > | > They can't take jobs back across the border.
| > | >
| > |
| > | Sigh. If they close down a viable business... the jobs held by that
| > | business' employees are most assuredly taken. Is that really all that
| > hard
| > | to understand?
| >
| > Not at all. If the business is shut down the next business will not hire
| > illegal aliens.
| >
|
| So, what you're saying is, you really could care less that native born
| Americans lose money in the effort, so long as you get your way in this
| debate.
Why would a "native born" American lose money unless he was shut down for
hiring illegal aliens? If that is the case then he should be made an example
of what will happen.
|
| > |
| > | The IRS already closes down businesses over tax issues and costs folks
| > | who've done nothing wrong at all their jobs. RICCO statutes deprived a
| > | Middle Tennessee woman of her car (not her drug dealer husband's car)
| > which
| > | she used to get to her job because he got popped... and if memory
| > serves,
| > he
| > | wasn't even using her car.
| >
| > That's the risk of having a DRUG DEALING HUSBAND!
| >
|
| Sigh. The record in that case was really quite clear. She had tried to get
| the numbnutz back onto the straight and narrow for quite some time. The
| local cops KNEW that. They KNEW she had nothing to do with his nefarious
| dealings. They KNEW they were simply taking a lady's car because the RICCO
| statutes (never meant for that kind of enforcement in the first place)
| allowed them to. And, they KNEW what kind of hardship it would work on a
| lady who just happened to love a nefarious bastard.
|
| And, they didn't care. Further, apparently neither do you.
Correct. She should have moved out and left the drug dealer behind.
|
| > |
| > | Are you serious here? You REALLY want to give more IRS and RICCO esque
| > | powers to the feral government, to use Joseph Crowe's moniker?
| > |
| > | Here's a little hint. In both those scenarios, all it takes is the
| > | accusation to retrieve your property and dispose of it. It'll be
| > entirely
| > up
| > | to you to figure out how to get it back.
| >
| > That's the risk you take for being a drug dealer or someone that hires
| > illegals.
| >
|
| Who said anything about HIRING illegals? I'm talking about the poor sod
who
| happened to be working there, very possibly not having a clue the owner of
| the business was an illegal. His job's gone and folks like you likely line
| the road home, laughing at him for being an idiot.
This is another one of those "what if" isn't it.
|
| > |
| > | > |
| > | > | Just as sorry as I can be, but on this point, the Shrub has it
| > exactly
| > | > | right. If you've been here a good while, if you've paid your way,
if
| > | > you've
| > | > | been a productive member of this society, a break is what you
| > deserve...
| > | > not
| > | > | a bus ride back to wherever.
| > | > |
| > | > | You especially do not deserve that bus ride when all across the
| > country,
| > | > ICE
| > | > | personnel prove they have no clue on reasonable police practices
or
| > even
| > | > the
| > | > | ability to recognize an illegal alien from a legal resident OR
| > | > native-born
| > | > | US citizen.
| > | >
| > | > I disagree. They broke the law when they crossed the border. Should
an
| > | > escaped felon be set free because he avoided capture, paid his way
| > and
| > | > had
| > | > been a productive member of society?
| > | >
| > |
| > | Hardly apples to apples, but there have been such cases over the years
| > and
| > | yes, in some cases, that productive life has been taken into at least
| > some
| > | account.
| > |
| > | Still, the point is simple. If they are working, paying taxes, paying
| > their
| > | own way, in what possible way have you personally been harmed by the
| > mere
| > | fact that they're illegals?
| >
| > They broke the law.
| >
| > Precisely how have they been a burden on you,
| >
| > Yes through higher taxes.
| >
| > | and if they owned a business how will the loss of a job to your fellow
| > | citizens actually help you?
| >
| > More jobs for legal citizens.
| >
|
| I seriously doubt even you believe that line. Not with native-born
American
| business owners exporting American jobs as fast as they can. Look, one of
| the real reasons for all this is, we don't want Mexicans up here
"stealing"
| jobs from Americans when WE can steal 'em ourselves and SEND them to the
| Mexicans for even less than we pay 'em after they've ridden the coyotero's
| locked tractor trailer to get here.
BOOO HOOO ":o(
|
| > |
| > | >
| > | > |
| > | > | This is about the only point El Shrubo has it right on. After all,
| > he
| > | > just
| > | > | vetoed a bill to spend a wad of cash on a thing of some
| > importance...
| > | > water
| > | > | resource development, reclamation of Florida's swampland (a thing
| > his
| > | > own
| > | > | goddamned brother helped move forward after decades of draining
the
| > | > | Everglades) and got it thrown back in his face with an impressive
| > veto.
| > | >
| > | > What other porkbarrel projects had been attatched to the bill?
| > | >
| > |
| > | Jesus H Christ on a soda cracker. It is a water resource development
| > bill,
| > | designed to throw a bone or two at a pre-existing backlog of projects
| > that
| > | have been desperately needed for a goodly number of years. If Congress
| > | passed it, there's bound to be pork, but please. Spare me that George
| > Bush
| > | is worried about pork when you take a look at the final bill for his
| > little
| > | foray into Iraq on now proven dubious evidence, at best, if not
outright
| > | manufactured lies.
| >
| > Politicians tack on their porkbarrel to every bill.
| >
|
| Uh, I believe I said that. So, the fear of pork precludes any bill ever
| being passed, huh?
| You don't know what's in that bill any more than much of anybody else, yet
| you're willing to oppose it because the idiot Shrub did and because you
| THINK there's probably pork in it.
|
| That's some logic, right there. I don't care who you are.
According to todays The City Paper (page 8) there were over 900 porkbarrels
that had been tacked on.
|
| > |
| > | He even flew smack into the face of members of his own party in
Florida
| > with
| > | the part about Everglades reclammation. Odd as it may sound, never
mind
| > that
| > | the root word of conservative is conserve, Florida republicans saw, in
| > | spades, the folly of decades of draining that swamp to make arable and
| > | buildable land and have been on the bandwagon to restore it for years.
I
| > | guess he didn't want the money spent on the Gulf Coast because the
| > vultures
| > | have not quite finished grabbing up all the land at bargain prices to
| > build
| > | uber-expensive hidey holes for his buddies, present and future.
| >
| > If doesn't take federal money to quit draining the swamp.
| >
|
| IT WAS DRAINED AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE. Don't you think those who broke it
have
| some responsbility to help fix it?
|
| No, probably not.
|
| > |
| > | > |
| > | > | The reasonable thing to do with regards immigration is to avoid
| > blowing
| > | > up
| > | > | successful people whose only crime is to not have "ze proper
| > papers,"
| > | > avoid
| > | > | damage to the US economy inland from overclosing that border and
fix
| > | > | internal security measures where some numbnutz can't go to work
for,
| > | > say,
| > | > an
| > | > | airport contractor, and collect a "security badge" from a box with
a
| > | > bunch
| > | > | of already well-used "security badges," hoping to find one with a
| > | > picture
| > | > | that already looks a little like him or her.
| > | >
| > | > The reasonable thing to do is to stiffly fine the employer,
confiscate
| > the
| > | > alien's assets and ship the back over the border.
| > | >
| > |
| > | Lord, love a duck! I've been hearing this for decades. Every time the
| > debate
| > | rises up, it's fine the employers, and they do for a short while.
Then,
| > it
| > | becomes clear they're gonna have to pay real wages for those jobs and
do
| > | honest accounting, and the reforms just slowly slip away.
| > |
| > | Then it's back to paying half wages for illegals, collecting the taxes
| > but
| > | somehow forgetting to forward them on to Uncle Sugar.
| > |
| > | Are some of the illegals criminals? Absolutely no doubt about that at
| > all.
| > | Arrest 'em. Deport 'em and be done with it.
| > |
| > | Or is it some desire to waste law enforcement time on specious
| > immigration
| > | issues so they don't have time for the homegrown crooks?
| > |
| > | There are days when I truly do wish the Indians (Native Americans, if
| > you
| > | prefer, though they mostly all immigrated from elsewhere too) had been
| > able
| > | to implement the same immigration policy some seem to think we so
| > | desperately need now. We'd likely be having this conversation with at
| > least
| > | one of us speaking in a second language now.
| >
| > My ancestors agree.
| >
|
| Must be one tribe or another,
The people.
because far as I know, there's none left of
| the peoples who were here with what we know as "native Americans" crossed
| the land bridge at the Bering Straits from Asia.
Not the original ones but the ancestors are.
|
| If one wants to take the argument to a final conclusion, we're ALL anchor
| babies.
You may be but I'm not.
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