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Group: nashville.general · Group Profile
Author: David MoffittDavid Moffitt Date: Nov 9, 2007 06:37
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| "David Moffitt" stompingweasels.org> wrote in message
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| > "Olin" comcast.net> wrote in message
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| > | "David Moffitt" stompingweasels.org> wrote in message
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| > | > "jakdedert" bellsouth.net> wrote in message
| > | > news:DqGYi.29517$N7.6346@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
| > | > | Boston Blackie (You've got to be freakin' kidding me?) wrote:
| > | > | > On 2007-11-08 08:39:34 -0600, "David Moffitt" said:
| > | > | >
| > | > | >> 14 Reasons to Deport Illegal Aliens...
| > | > | >>
| > | > | >> 1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal
| > aliens
| > | > each
| > | > | >> year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77
| > | > | >
| > | > | > FAIR rejects criticism that it is racist, xenophobic, and
| > | > | > anti-immigrant. Such criticisms are leveled not only by liberal
| > and
| > | > | > pro-immigrant groups, but also by many conservatives and such
| > | > | > business-oriented publications as the Wall Street Journal. (9)
| > | > According
| > | > | > to FAIR, "We have a clear and consistent record of discussing
| > | > | > immigration policy and how it should be reformed to serve the
| > | > interests
| > | > | > of this nation. FAIR has very clearly and consistently drawn the
| > | > | > distinction between immigration policy and immigrants." With
| > respect
| > | > to
| > | > | > charges that the immigration policies it advocates and its
| > educational
| > | > | > activities are racist, FAIR responds: "There are always people
who
| > | > | > support the right idea for the wrong reasons--but that doesn't
| > make
| > | > the
| > | > | > idea itself wrong. None of this changes the fact that bringing a
| > | > million
| > | > | > additional people from other countries into this one is
disruptive
| > to
| > | > | > our economy, our society, and our environment. We condemn
racism.
| > But
| > | > we
| > | > | > also condemn the use of terms such as 'anti-immigrant,'
'racist,'
| > or
| > | > | > 'xenophobe' as they are used to try to stifle open, honest
| > discussion
| > | > of
| > | > | > how our immigration policy is impacting the country."
| > | > | >
| > | > | > Source: http://tinyurl.com/33lduj
| > | > | >
| > | > | > (9) "Borderline Republicans," Wall Street Journal, June 17,
2004.
| > | > | > http://tinyurl.com/366a6q
| > | > | >
| > | > | >
| > | > |
| > | > | And F.A.I.R. is the ultimate source for many of the statistics
| > presented
| > | > | in the OP, not CNN, as Nurse Moppet seems to intimate. In fact
all
| > the
| > | > | sources above which seem to be attributed to CNN are from a couple
| > of
| > | > | episodes of 'Lou Dobbs Tonight' and all seem to be unsupported
| > | > | pronouncements by F.A.I.R. or similar organizations. I'm not
going
| > to
| > | > | read every transcript to verify; but the few I clicked and
searched
| > | > | support that, to wit:
| > | > |
| > | > | "The Federation for American Immigration Reform says taxpayers
spend
| > $12
| > | > | billion a year on primary and secondary school education for
| > children
| > | > | here illegally. Another $17 billion for the American-born children
| > of
| > | > | illegal aliens, known as anchor babies."
| > | > |
| > | > | <http://www.mediamouse.org/resources/right.php?orgId=7>
| > | > | "The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) was founded
| > in
| > | > | 1978 by John Tanton of Petoskey, Michigan. FAIR is one of the
| > | > | best-financed and most active anti-immigration groups and is part
of
| > a
| > | > | network of anti-immigration groups associated with Tanton
(source).
| > | > | FAIR's stated purpose is to "end illegal immigration" and "to set
| > legal
| > | > | immigration at the lowest feasible levels consistent with the
| > | > | demographic, economic, social, and environmental realities." While
| > FAIR
| > | > | claims it is not xenophobic or racist and has denounced white
| > | > | supremacists publicly, throughout its history it has had
connections
| > to
| > | > | white supremacists, especially. Even more disturbing, FAIR
accepted
| > $1.2
| > | > | million from the Pioneer Fund during the years 1985 to 1994,
despite
| > the
| > | > | Pioneer Fund being described by eugenics expert Barry Mehler as a
| > | > | "neo-Nazi organization, tied to the Nazi eugenics program in the
| > 1930s,
| > | > | that has never wavered in its commitment to eugenics and ideas of
| > human
| > | > | and racial inferiority and superiority (source)." When this link
was
| > | > | exposed in 1988, Tanton said that he knew nothing of the Pioneer
| > Fund's
| > | > | history and continued to accept funding from them until 1994. A
| > series
| > | > | of memos from the 1980s outline Tanton's political strategy of
| > taking
| > on
| > | > | not just "lllegal" but legal immigration, as well revealing
Tanton's
| > use
| > | > | of derogatory terminology to describe Latinos."
| > | > |
| > | > | Nice(?) try, Muppet. It's funny how those on your side of the
swamp
| > | > | criticize CNN at every turn, but use them to supposedly give an
aura
| > of
| > | > | legitimacy to your hate-filled screeds.
| > | > |
| > | > | jak
| > | >
| > | > Post one example where I have critized CNN. That is an awful broad
| > brush
| > | > you
| > | > are painting with. OTOH I do not support any of President Bush's
| > | > immigration
| > | > plans.
| > | >
| > |
| > | There is a tiny bit here with which to agree. Not every single
| > conservative,
| > | self-styled or rather obvious, is always critical of CNN. But, the
vast
| > | majority I've run across are.
| > |
| > | Two questions are left to answer, especially considering all that
money
| > | we've spent on anchor babies. That one makes me wonder just when we
are
| > | gonna arrest Arlen Specter and at least two other members of Congress,
| > | seeing as how they ARE anchor babies.
| >
| > Were the parents "illegal" aliens?
| >
|
| Pray tell, how else WOULD they have become anchor babies?
|
| > |
| > | The second question deals with value and freely concedes there are
some
| > | fairly nefarious bastards crossing that border (and the other border
| > too,
| > | not to forget virtually every other international port into the USA,
| > though
| > | we seem to focus mainly on the Mexican border). All those nefarious
| > bastards
| > | share a major connection with our homegrown nefarious bastards in that
| > they
| > | are, not to put too fine a point on it, nefarious bastards.
| > |
| > | However, that does not constitute all the traffic across that, or any
| > other,
| > | border. I personally know, and I'll wager most in here do as well,
| > though
| > | they may not wish to admit it, or even know that they know it, several
| > | illegals who have been here for years, work jobs, own homes, pay taxes
| > and
| > | in many cases own businesses and make a payroll, offering up jobs to
any
| > and
| > | all who apply and qualify, including native-born US citizens.
| > |
| > | That last category would be mostly a thing of the past if a certain
| > | Coloradan gets his way, but for now, born here means citizen here,
| > UNLESS
| > it
| > | can be demonstrated that both parents are foreign born, not here
legally
| > and
| > | have no intention to make the US their permanent home.
| >
| > IMHO Babies of illegals should not be given citizenship.
| >
|
| So, you agree with current US immigration law, which states the same
thing.
| Regardless of what that Colorado moron says, regardless of the endless
tripe
| of your average ranch-stash skinhead, regardless of the email hoaxes to
the
| contrary, the children of illegals are NOT automatically US citizens NOW!
|
| > |
| > | Pesky little thing called immigration law... it already spells out
what
| > can
| > | and can not happen regarding birth, but sycophants have never let the
| > truth
| > | get in the way of a good, scary rant.
| > |
| > | But, here's the question. Does one seriously consider it to be a good
| > thing
| > | to blow up and kick to the curb several decades of work, tax paying
and
| > a
| > | generally productive life here, taking with it the jobs of US native
| > borns,
| > | simply to prove a point?
| >
| > They can't take jobs back across the border.
| >
|
| Sigh. If they close down a viable business... the jobs held by that
| business' employees are most assuredly taken. Is that really all that hard
| to understand?
Not at all. If the business is shut down the next business will not hire
illegal aliens.
|
| The IRS already closes down businesses over tax issues and costs folks
| who've done nothing wrong at all their jobs. RICCO statutes deprived a
| Middle Tennessee woman of her car (not her drug dealer husband's car)
which
| she used to get to her job because he got popped... and if memory serves,
he
| wasn't even using her car.
That's the risk of having a DRUG DEALING HUSBAND!
|
| Are you serious here? You REALLY want to give more IRS and RICCO esque
| powers to the feral government, to use Joseph Crowe's moniker?
|
| Here's a little hint. In both those scenarios, all it takes is the
| accusation to retrieve your property and dispose of it. It'll be entirely
up
| to you to figure out how to get it back.
That's the risk you take for being a drug dealer or someone that hires
illegals.
|
| > |
| > | Just as sorry as I can be, but on this point, the Shrub has it exactly
| > | right. If you've been here a good while, if you've paid your way, if
| > you've
| > | been a productive member of this society, a break is what you
deserve...
| > not
| > | a bus ride back to wherever.
| > |
| > | You especially do not deserve that bus ride when all across the
country,
| > ICE
| > | personnel prove they have no clue on reasonable police practices or
even
| > the
| > | ability to recognize an illegal alien from a legal resident OR
| > native-born
| > | US citizen.
| >
| > I disagree. They broke the law when they crossed the border. Should an
| > escaped felon be set free because he avoided capture, paid his way and
| > had
| > been a productive member of society?
| >
|
| Hardly apples to apples, but there have been such cases over the years and
| yes, in some cases, that productive life has been taken into at least some
| account.
|
| Still, the point is simple. If they are working, paying taxes, paying
their
| own way, in what possible way have you personally been harmed by the mere
| fact that they're illegals?
They broke the law.
Precisely how have they been a burden on you,
Yes through higher taxes.
| and if they owned a business how will the loss of a job to your fellow
| citizens actually help you?
More jobs for legal citizens.
|
| >
| > |
| > | This is about the only point El Shrubo has it right on. After all, he
| > just
| > | vetoed a bill to spend a wad of cash on a thing of some importance...
| > water
| > | resource development, reclamation of Florida's swampland (a thing his
| > own
| > | goddamned brother helped move forward after decades of draining the
| > | Everglades) and got it thrown back in his face with an impressive
veto.
| >
| > What other porkbarrel projects had been attatched to the bill?
| >
|
| Jesus H Christ on a soda cracker. It is a water resource development bill,
| designed to throw a bone or two at a pre-existing backlog of projects that
| have been desperately needed for a goodly number of years. If Congress
| passed it, there's bound to be pork, but please. Spare me that George Bush
| is worried about pork when you take a look at the final bill for his
little
| foray into Iraq on now proven dubious evidence, at best, if not outright
| manufactured lies.
Politicians tack on their porkbarrel to every bill.
|
| He even flew smack into the face of members of his own party in Florida
with
| the part about Everglades reclammation. Odd as it may sound, never mind
that
| the root word of conservative is conserve, Florida republicans saw, in
| spades, the folly of decades of draining that swamp to make arable and
| buildable land and have been on the bandwagon to restore it for years. I
| guess he didn't want the money spent on the Gulf Coast because the
vultures
| have not quite finished grabbing up all the land at bargain prices to
build
| uber-expensive hidey holes for his buddies, present and future.
If doesn't take federal money to quit draining the swamp.
|
| > |
| > | The reasonable thing to do with regards immigration is to avoid
blowing
| > up
| > | successful people whose only crime is to not have "ze proper papers,"
| > avoid
| > | damage to the US economy inland from overclosing that border and fix
| > | internal security measures where some numbnutz can't go to work for,
| > say,
| > an
| > | airport contractor, and collect a "security badge" from a box with a
| > bunch
| > | of already well-used "security badges," hoping to find one with a
| > picture
| > | that already looks a little like him or her.
| >
| > The reasonable thing to do is to stiffly fine the employer, confiscate
the
| > alien's assets and ship the back over the border.
| >
|
| Lord, love a duck! I've been hearing this for decades. Every time the
debate
| rises up, it's fine the employers, and they do for a short while. Then, it
| becomes clear they're gonna have to pay real wages for those jobs and do
| honest accounting, and the reforms just slowly slip away.
|
| Then it's back to paying half wages for illegals, collecting the taxes but
| somehow forgetting to forward them on to Uncle Sugar.
|
| Are some of the illegals criminals? Absolutely no doubt about that at all.
| Arrest 'em. Deport 'em and be done with it.
|
| Or is it some desire to waste law enforcement time on specious immigration
| issues so they don't have time for the homegrown crooks?
|
| There are days when I truly do wish the Indians (Native Americans, if you
| prefer, though they mostly all immigrated from elsewhere too) had been
able
| to implement the same immigration policy some seem to think we so
| desperately need now. We'd likely be having this conversation with at
least
| one of us speaking in a second language now.
My ancestors agree.
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