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Group: mn.politics · Group Profile
Author: Billy
Date: Aug 18, 2008 10:55

In article <4Ludnb38_fhLqDvVnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d@comcast.com>,
"Dan Mercer" comcast.net> wrote:
> "Billy" get_the.net> wrote in message
> news:wildbilly-8F563F.16573415082008@c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au...
>> In article ,
>> Jeff Dege jdege.visi.com> wrote:
>>
>>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121770579562707543.html?
>>> mod=djemEditorialPage
>>>
>>>
>>> Political Diary
>>> August 3, 2008
>>>
>>> This Bud's for Belgium
>>>
>>> Politicians and Wall Streeters are starting to ask why the Belgian beer
>>> company InBev purchased Anheuser-Busch and not the other way around.
>>> Anheuser-Busch is an iconic American firm and some find it almost
>>> unpatriotic that Anheuser CEO August Busch IV allowed the "King of Beers"
>>> to relocate across the Atlantic -- though shareholders were the big
>>> winners here with a $50 billion-plus takeaway.
>>>
>>> But here's the real question: Was the takeover basically financed by the
>>> savings Anheuser expected from escaping America's increasingly
>>> uncompetitive corporate tax system? According to the Tax Foundation,
>>> Belgium's corporate tax rate is 33%%, but the effective tax rate can be
>>> half the nominal rate thanks to adjustments for something the OECD calls
>>> a "notional allowance for corporate equity." Bottom line: InBev was
>>> paying around 20%% of its profits in corporate taxes, compared to
>>> Anheuser-
>>> Busch's rate of 38.4%%.
>>>
>>> Things have gotten pretty bad when U.S. companies relocate to Europe to
>>> cut their tax payments. But a research analysis by Morgan Stanley finds
>>> the combined company's corporate tax bill will be lower than in the U.S.
>>> and that the tax differential indeed figured into the economics of the
>>> sale.
>>>
>>> So while John McCain may have benefited from his wife's ownership of
>>> Anheuser stock (estimated at between 40,000 and 80,000 shares), the
>>> country will continue to see its competitive edge wither away without a
>>> corporate tax rate cut. Mr. McCain to his credit wants to cut the
>>> corporate tax rate to 25%%, close to the global average. Senator Obama is
>>> more interested in raising tax rates than cutting them.
>>>
>>> Wall Street dealmakers tell us to expect more sales of U.S. companies to
>>> European rivals thanks to the combination of America's higher corporate
>>> taxes and the weak dollar. They're right. New data from the OECD for 2008
>>> indicate that the international average for corporate tax rates fell by
>>> another percentage point last year, meaning the U.S. is pricing itself
>>> out of the market as a corporate headquarters. "America's 35%% corporate
>>> tax rate is not just bad economics, it's downright unpatriotic," says tax
>>> expert Kevin Hassett of the American Enterprise Institute.
>>>
>>> -- Stephen Moore and Tyler Grimm
>>
>>
>> What a Grimm fairy-tale Dege brought to us!
>>
>> Time to get back to reality. We are still being screwed and it's not
>> by the maurading hoards of off-white illegal aliens. We're being
>> screwed by people who look like Bush and Cheney. Damn, it is Bush and
>> Cheney;O)
>> While you go out and bust your hump and pay 30%% taxes, those who sit at
>> home and use their money to buy and sell, pay 15%% taxes. Fair?
>
> You're a moron. Ever heard of return on investment. The average dividend
> is relatively small compared to the value of the stock. During the 90's,
> the dividend rate was "normalized" to the income tax rate - as such,
> holding
> stocks was less valuable than trading them. Along came the internet and the
> tech
> bubble was born. People took money out of profitable companies that shared
> their
> profits (which had already been taxed on the corporate level) and threw them
> at
> compaines that had no clue how to even make a profit, other than to sell
> advertising no one looks at (and when is that lesson going to sink home).
> The Hormel heirs sued their trustees because they took a huge hit in income
> thanks to the new tax rate. They wanted to sink their money into something
> that speculators were hot for, perhaps trusting that they'd get out before
> the house of cards collapsed.
>
> So, what does it matter, you say, they're just rich bastards, serves 'em
> right.
> Problem is, all those companies paying dividends started looking to sex
> up their stocks, companies like 3M, where I worked. 3M once was a
> wonderful
> place - their employees were all lifers happy to have landed where they
> were valued and looked after. In return they were amongst the most
> inventive
> people on earth, coming up with breakthrough product after product - not
> bad
> for a company that started out making grinding wheels. Many of their
> biggest winners started life as losers - post-it notes founded on a failed
> adhesive, face masks on a failed bra cup.
>
> Wall Street looked on that corporate culture, about as anti Wall Street
> a culture as there could be, and told them they had to change. So, now
> you get layoffs, now you get hard ass management, and there goes that
> marvelous inventive culture. I was one of the layoffs. My brother, after
> 35 years, is going out in the latest round.
>
> You want the govt to run everything - take a look at Beijing. The air's
> toxic and complaining gets you a bullet in the head. The most toxic
> places on the planet are in the ex USSR - a lake so radioactive that a walk
> along its shore is instantly fatal. Drying up seas! Overfished lakes!
>
> Dan Mercer

Now Dan, just take another suck on your rice, faux beer and relax.
Didn't invest in oil, defense contractors, food processors like
Archer Daniels Midland, or Ag suppliers like Monsanto, huh?

That's no reason to denigrate the efforts of employees that do
their jobs with fewer and fewer benefits and pay 25%% - 30%%
income tax, while an investor only pays 15%% capital gains.

Hot tip, after fuel and food, water will be the next big screwing
over that you can invest in.

Before I go, let me remind you that the Soviet Union and China,
for all their talk of Communism are oligarchies, just like the
United States. Each has their ruling class that is determined
to maintain their privileges.

I'm a moron? Fuck you.
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