> In article <253r24d6p5a3c8vpmocd3fcgg9jc6esvij@4ax.com>,
> CarlSwanson nospam.frontiernet.net> wrote:
>

>> I never found the time to REALLY study the creation of 1948 Israel
>> as we all should have. Sorry about that.
>>
>> I have more time now to pursue truth. So much to learn, so little
>> time. (anybody see Amy Goodman's recent interview with Gore Vidal?
>> Priceless!)
>>
>> The fact that Israel was conceived and then evolved as a theocratic
>> state always bothered me since the few Jews in the USA, living the
>> wonderful life of freedom from persecution here, are bent on
>> screwing over the Palestinians and taking brash actions that undermine
>> OUR welfare and international relations...re: our Likud Jews. (Norm
>> Coleman, Joe Leiberman, and Rudy Boschwitz are in there). USA
>> patriots like Al Franken and Jon Stewart are just a few of examples
>> of USA Jews that are horrified that the Likuds were able to send
>> our entire military into Iraq and stir up another 1000 years of war
>> and hate). The Republican Party truly, now, has no social redeeming
>> value. John McCain is in there. \\\

>>
>>
>> The drumbeat line that the land was empty was a lie... the great
>> Zionist lie that only the USA, of all the "western" nations, accepts
>> as common wisdom and accepts. I stupidly bought into that
>> misinformation. There were at least 750,000 "palestinians" or "
>> arabs" that were driven from the land by the Zionist folks. We
>> probably should just say "non Jews present"..since some Christians
>> were in there too.
>>
>> So..where are we? How Israel got to where it is today is passe'..
>> The 2008 "democratic Israel" needs to be a true united inclusive
>> country..as we are. No discrimination based on ethnicity, religion
>> etc. The Palestinians have to give up there Muslim religious rooted
>> hatred and pave the way for world peace. They should be out killing
>> Bin Laden and Sadr and their ilk, if they want to enjoy this earth.
>> When will they learn killing for the reward of 72 virgins
>> http://www.citizensoldier.net/72virgins.html is pandering to the
>> ignorant..pfui. Religion... the bane of the earth.
>>
>> Read Benny Morris, Norman Finkelstein, to name a few.
>>
>> The most despicable Jews in the USA are Likud sympathizers exemplified
>> by the American Enterprise Institutes resident "scholars" like the
>> Kagans, Bill Kristol, Danielle Pletka , maybe Eloit Abrams, and too
>> many in AIPAC. Hell, scumbag, traitor, and war criminal George W
>> Bush is in there now.
>>
>> Hey.. theocracy is theocracy. A spade is a spade...a fxxxking shovel.
>>
>>
>> Israel and Palestine. The now drumbeat for a one state solution,
>> should be very carefully considered and probably pursued.
>>
>> Give the "arab families" that were driven from their homes, their
>> property back. There should never have been a "Palestinian
>> refugee" and most Jews are sad that ever happened.
>>
>> And mix the area with multi- ethnics again as in 500B.C. with a "one
>> state" solution.

>
> I concur, whole heartedly, with the above statement.
>
> Jews aren't the problem in Palestine, Zionists are. Just as all
> Christians aren't members of the Ku Klux Klan, who also want a
> homeland, a white homeland. Seems there was an Austrian guy who wanted
> an Aryan homeland. It never works out well. Taken to it's logical
> conclusion, we should all have the right to declare our bedrooms
> independent and sovereign countries.
>
> "The Lemon Tree: An Arab, a Jew, and the Heart of the Middle East"
> can explain the problem to anyone who wants to know.
> <http://www.amazon.com/Lemon-Tree-Arab-Heart-Middle/dp/1596913436/ref=pd_
> bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1210954480&sr=1-1>
> --
>
> Billy
> Bush Behind Bars
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg&ref=patrick.net
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0aEo59c7zU&feature=related