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The congressional Democrats' surge-against-the-surge         


Author: Jeff Dege
Date: Nov 25, 2007 17:56

[T]he nervous Nellies really did try to keep us from winning, indeed
fought fang and claw to derail our best efforts. If they had had their
way, Iraq would still be the quagmire they are so fond of invoking,
and the United States -- or George W. Bush, which may be the more
relevant factor -- would have incurred a definitive and, at least in
his case, legacy-blasting defeat. It is unfair of course to call this
a stab in the back, as the Democrats have been engagingly open about
their intentions.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/
Articles/000/000/014/405lrbpc.asp?pg=1

The Weekly Standard

The Stab That Failed
The congressional Democrats' surge-against-the-surge -- a case study
in political futility.
by Noemie Emery
12/03/2007, Volume 013, Issue 12

Eagerly anticipating the defeat in Iraq to which they are so much
attached, some on the left have also been preparing for another
contingency: the assault that they think they see coming, a drive to...
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Re: The congressional Democrats' surge-against-the-surge         


Author: Lance Hammond
Date: Nov 26, 2007 08:55

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:56:29 -0000, Jeff Dege jdege.visi.com>
wrote:
> [T]he nervous Nellies really did try to keep us from winning, indeed
> fought fang and claw to derail our best efforts. If they had had their
> way, Iraq would still be the quagmire they are so fond of invoking,
> and the United States -- or George W. Bush, which may be the more
> relevant factor -- would have incurred a definitive and, at least in
> his case, legacy-blasting defeat. It is unfair of course to call this
> a stab in the back, as the Democrats have been engagingly open about
> their intentions.
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Re: The congressional Democrats' surge-against-the-surge         


Author: D. A. Tsenuf
Date: Nov 26, 2007 20:55

"Lance Hammond" wrote in message
news:4c1nk3p8ssg6k9v1gt4iohc192plgaj85h@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:17:22 -0000, Jeff Dege jdege.visi.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:55:00 -0700, Lance Hammond wrote:
>>
>>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:56:29 -0000, Jeff Dege jdege.visi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [T]he nervous Nellies really did try to keep us from winning, indeed
>>>> fought fang and claw to derail our best efforts. If they had had
>>>> their way, Iraq would still be the quagmire they are so fond of
>>>> invoking, and the United States -- or George W. Bush, which may be
>>>> the more relevant factor -- would have incurred a definitive and, at
>>>> least in his case, legacy-blasting defeat. It is unfair of course to
>>>> call this a stab in the back, as the Democrats have been engagingly
>>>> open about their intentions.
>>>
>>> ?"nervous nellies"? "keep *us* from winning? Winning what? We invaded ...
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Re: The congressional Democrats' surge-against-the-surge         


Author: D. A. Tsenuf
Date: Nov 26, 2007 20:52

"Lance Hammond" wrote in message
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> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:19:21 -0600, "D. A. Tsenuf" Tsenuf.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Lance Hammond" wrote in message
>>news:k1tlk31dq8k1f2i4mk7booorndg0ma056a@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 01:56:29 -0000, Jeff Dege jdege.visi.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [T]he nervous Nellies really did try to keep us from winning, indeed
>>>> fought fang and claw to derail our best efforts. If they had had
>>>> their
>>>> way, Iraq would still be the quagmire they are so fond of invoking,
>>>> and the United States -- or George W. Bush, which may be the more
>>>> relevant factor -- would have incurred a definitive and, at least in
>>>> his case, legacy-blasting defeat. It is unfair of course to call this
>>>> a stab in the back, as the Democrats have been engagingly open about
>>>> their intentions. ...
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Re: The congressional Democrats' surge-against-the-surge         


Author: Jeff Dege
Date: Nov 26, 2007 22:32

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:52:30 -0700, Lance Hammond wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:17:22 -0000, Jeff Dege jdege.visi.com>
> wrote:
>>
>>Genocide is exactly what would have happened, had we let the Baathists
>>or the Islamists take over.
>>
>>
> What's an "Islamist"? Iraq is a Muslim country which are part of Islam.
--
[Government's] great contribution to human wisdom...is the discovery
that the taxpayer has more than one pocket.
- H. L. Mencken
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Re: The congressional Democrats' surge-against-the-surge         


Author: Jeff Dege
Date: Nov 26, 2007 22:37

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:48:06 -0700, Lance Hammond wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:19:21 -0600, "D. A. Tsenuf" Tsenuf.com>
> wrote:
>>>
>>1) The Mission Accomplished sign was put up by the crew of the
>>Abraham Lincoln because they were coming home from a tour of duty.
>>
> Not true.

Absolutely true.
>> And no matter how idiots like you have a need to lie about it,
>> it
>>had NOTHING to do with the status of Iraq at the time
>>
> The lies are yours.

Keep repeating that, and maybe someday you'll actually believe it.
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Re: The congressional Democrats' surge-against-the-surge         


Author: Lance Hammond
Date: Nov 27, 2007 07:15

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:52:09 -0600, "D. A. Tsenuf" Tsenuf.com>
wrote:
>
>"Lance Hammond" wrote in message
>news:eo0nk3hujr1flal112h6438fogvg1fo0am@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:19:21 -0600, "D. A. Tsenuf" Tsenuf.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Lance...
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Re: The congressional Democrats' surge-against-the-surge         


Author: Lance Hammond
Date: Nov 27, 2007 07:19

On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:55:21 -0600, "D. A. Tsenuf" Tsenuf.com>
wrote:
>
>"Lance Hammond" wrote in message
>news:4c1nk3p8ssg6k9v1gt4iohc192plgaj85h@4ax.com...
>> On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 01:17:22 -0000, Jeff Dege jdege.visi.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon...
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Re: The congressional Democrats' surge-against-the-surge         


Author: Lance Hammond
Date: Nov 27, 2007 07:22

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:32:14 -0000, Jeff Dege jdege.visi.com>
wrote:
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Re: The congressional Democrats' surge-against-the-surge         


Author: Lance Hammond
Date: Nov 27, 2007 07:35

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 06:37:37 -0000, Jeff Dege jdege.visi.com>
wrote:
>On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:48:06 -0700, Lance Hammond wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 26 Nov 2007 20:19:21 -0600, "D. A. Tsenuf" Tsenuf.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>1) The Mission Accomplished sign was put up by the...
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