>> Well I guess that would put me half a wit a head of you.
>>
>> The Crusades (1 thru 9: 1075 to 1272) originally had the goal of
>> recapturing Jerusalem and the Holy Land from Muslim rule and were
>> originally launched in response to a call from the Eastern Orthodox
>> Byzantine Empire for help against the expansion of the Muslim Seljuk
>> Turks into Anatolia. Rivalries among both Christian and Muslim powers
>> led also to alliances between religious factions against their
>> opponents, such as the Christian alliance with the Sultanate of Rum
>> during the Fifth Crusade.
>>
>
> A lie a day, makes the Prophet's day!
>
>
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Western-Civilization-And-The-Stirrup-35549.shtm
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> "October 10, 732 marks the conclusion of the Battle of Tours, also known as
> the Battle of Poitiers - one of the most decisive battles in all history -
> which took place near the city of Tours, close to the border between the
> Frankish realm and the independent region of Aquitaine (now in South West
> France). The Frankish and Burgundian forces, united under Frank ruler
> Charles Martel (The Hammer) fought against an army of the Umayyad Caliphate
> led by Abderrahman, Governor of the recently conquered Spain.
>
> Many modern historians see this Frankish victory as the one responsible for
> saving Christianity and halting the conquest of Europe by Islam. The battle
> helped Frankish domination of Europe for the next century. "
Would you please pick a sand box and stay in it? You said Crusade and of
course I thought you meant Crusades. How was I to know that a
Christonazi like you doesn't know which end is up?
OK. 732 AD it is then right? Battle of Tours, right?
In what some historians see as a major contribution to the collapse of
Rome's empire, sometime during the middle of the fourth century, various
tribes, such as the Goths, Franks, and Alamanni, began to better
organize themselves politically and militarily. They posed an increasing
threat to Rome's capability to defend itself successfully, and in 378,
the Goths eventually defeated the army of Valens at Adrianople. Vandals,
Suev, and Alans crossed the Rhine in 406. Barbarian settlement began to
expand over much of the western Empire. Vandals, Visigoths, Alans,
Suevi, Burgundians, Franks, Ostrogoths and Saxons became an erosive
force upon the Empire.
Gaul, which had been conquered by Julius Caesar early in his career,
became connected with Rome by means of a treaty, in Latin foedus. The
foederatae civitates were affiliated states which were not Roman
colonies, and had not obtained the Roman civitas. King Euric's followers
tended to be Arian Christians, who denied the divinity of Christ. While
in many other parts of the empire this would have been an unacceptable
heresy, in Gaul, the Romans simply did not have the power to forcibly
intervene. c. 474 King Euric broke the foedus and conquered the
remaining imperial territories in Gaul. In 475 Emperor Julius Nepos
(ruled 474 - 475) ceded the rest of Gaul to Euric in return for Provence
(a former province of southeast France)
564 Rome falls (splat).
So the goths showed up in the 3rd Century (from Asia Minor), chase the
Romans, hit the celts in the head and become the good guys. Everybody is
picking up pieces of the Roman Empire, some of it contested, and the
Muslims are the bad guys because they show up late?
Actually, Moslems and Jews of that time, and Christians, if they wished,
were living together peacefully on the Iberian Peninsula. Peacefully.
No less a personage than the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan
Williams backs the introduction of sharia law in Britain and argues that
adopting some of its aspects seemed "unavoidable".
and that's the way it is.
--
Billy
Impeach Pelosi, Bush & Cheney to the Hague
http://rachelcorriefoundation.org/site/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movement_to_impeach_George_W._Bush
