> John Galt
bluebottle.com> wrote>> Rod Speed
gmail.com> wrote>>> John Galt
bluebottle.com> wrote>>>> Rod Speed
gmail.com> wrote>>>>> John Galt
bluebottle.com> wrote>>>>>> Rod Speed
gmail.com> wrote>>>>>>> John Galt
bluebottle.com> wrote>>>>>>>> Billy
getthe.net> wrote>>>>>>>>> HeyBub
gmail.com> wrote>>>>>>>>>> Billy wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Fantasy?
>>>>>>>>>>> Hellooo, what 'chew smokin' boy? We're not an agricultural
>>>>>>>>>>> society any more. Things changed after WWI. Weapons were
>>>>>>>>>>> mechanical and we needed soldiers who could read the damn
>>>>>>>>>>> manuals. Before WWI, most people were lucky to finish the
>>>>>>>>>>> eighth grade, which was fine for plowing fields, tossin'
>>>>>>>>>>> hay, and building fences. Done any DNA analysis with
>>>>>>>>>>> electrophoresis lately? Uh-huh. In the 19th century high
>>>>>>>>>>> schools and Colleges were rich folks prerogatives. These days
>>>>>>>>>>> you need a PhD. just to assure your self a slot on the day shift.
>>>>>>>>>> Heh! I have a 5th grade math textbook, published in 1905.
>>>>>>>>>> I've also got two degrees in mathematics and I'm
>>>>>>>>>> hard-pressed to solve some of the problems (and it's not
>>>>>>>>>> just because the problems involve rods, pecks, and mules).
>>>>>>>>>> The former president of Boston College was asked what single
>>>>>>>>>> thing could be done to improve the quality of education in
>>>>>>>>>> this coutry? His answer: "Close the colleges of education."
>>>>>>>>>> It's almost criminal that no single, living, Nobel Laureate
>>>>>>>>>> is legally permitted to teach in the public schools of my
>>>>>>>>>> state (and probably yours); Nor can a retired engineer,
>>>>>>>>>> nurse, physician do so either. No Pulitzer Prize winner is
>>>>>>>>>> permitted to teach middle-school English. I could go on and
>>>>>>>>>> on, but you get the idea:
>>>>>>>>>> The inmates are in charge of the asylum.
>>>>>>>>> Wanna feel better about the 'Merican educational system?
>>>>>>>>> Check out the Nobel prizes in science for the Twentieth Century
>>>>>>>>> awarded to Americans. Not too shabby. Explains why scientists
>>>>>>>>> who want to be cutting edge, make sure to attend American
>>>>>>>>> universities. We aren't worse. We are different. Primary and
>>>>>>>>> secondary have problems but not the Universities,
>>>>>>>> Universities are having to allot more and more budget to remedial
>>>>>>>> math and reading skills to their freshman because of the primary
>>>>>>>> and secondary problems. This increases the cost of tuition overall,
>>>>>>>> ultimately increasing the difficulty of students paying for their
>>>>>>>> education. This will continue to be a problem as long as......
>>>>>>>>> except turf wars over budgets, idiots trying
>>>>>>>>> to finger anti-zionists and, creation science.
>>>>>>>> .....people pretend the problems in the government schools all
>>>>>>>> have to do with the fact that .1%% of the population has a "thing"
>>>>>>>> about creation science (completely ignoring the fact that evolution
>>>>>>>> is barely touched on in any HS class outside of AP Biology.
>>>>>>>> We're quite good at taking properly prepared students and
>>>>>>>> turning them into Nobel Prize Winners. Underline "properly
>>>>>>>> prepared." If the children aren't properly prepared, there's
>>>>>>>> not much that can be done with them.
>>>>>>> Bullshit, the deficiencys can be fixed with any brats
>>>>>>> that will benefit from a university education.
>>>>>> Interesting theory,
>>>> Then feel free to do so.
>>> If those individuals can be taught that stuff in secondary
>>> school, they can obviously be taught it in a university instead.
>> Perhaps. And if if that granted, at what cost to the rest of society?
>> (It would be better if we got what we thought we were paying for at the secondary level.)
>> Just out of curiosity -- why are you defending the failure of the secondary schools?
>> JG (SO! looking forward to the answer to THAT question......?)
> Well if you want to induce the kind of stress in kids that leads to Japanese
> school children committing suicide, then you're probably on the right track.
> But many educators don't think that kids are just miniature adults and they
> would like to see them mature before stressing them.
And what those schools produce isnt anything to write home about anyway.
> European universities on the other hand are a bit of a cake
> walk in that the student has already been chosen to fill a
> slot, so they just need to make a decent effort to hang in.
Bullshit.
> In Europe, American colleges and universities are highly respected.
More bullshit. Some of them are, plenty of them arent.
> So pissing and moaning about they do it that way and we
> do it this way is like comparing the apples and oranges.
> In Europe, if you don't do well on your exams when you are 12 years
> old, the university door closes and the trade school door opens up.
It hasnt been like that for a hell of a long time now.
> In 'Merica, you CAN screw up. If you change your mind about school,
> you can always go back to a community college. If you do well in the
> community college, you may find your self in a four year college. If
> you do well there, you may find yourself doing post graduate work at a
> prestigious university. This can't happen in Europe. Only in America.
That last is pure pig ignorant drivel.
