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"John Galt" bluebottle.com> wrote:
>> John Galt
bluebottle.com> wrote>>> Rod Speed
gmail.com> wrote>>>> John Galt
bluebottle.com> wrote>>>>> Rod Speed
gmail.com> wrote>>>>>> John Galt
bluebottle.com> wrote>>>>>>> Billy
getthe.net> wrote>>>>>>>> HeyBub
gmail.com> wrote>>>>>>>>> Billy wrote
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Fantasy?
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hellooo, what 'chew smokin' boy? We're not an agricultural
>>>>>>>>>> society any more. Things changed after WWI. Weapons were
>>>>>>>>>> mechanical and we needed soldiers who could read the damn
>>>>>>>>>> manuals. Before WWI, most people were lucky to finish the
>>>>>>>>>> eighth grade, which was fine for plowing fields, tossin' hay,
>>>>>>>>>> and building fences. Done any DNA analysis with electrophoresis
>>>>>>>>>> lately? Uh-huh. In the 19th century high schools and Colleges
>>>>>>>>>> were rich folks prerogatives. These days you need a PhD. just
>>>>>>>>>> to assure your self a slot on the day shift.
>>
>>>>>>>>> Heh! I have a 5th grade math textbook, published in 1905. I've also
>>>>>>>>> got two degrees in mathematics and I'm hard-pressed to solve some
>>>>>>>>> of the problems (and it's not just because the problems involve
>>>>>>>>> rods, pecks, and mules). The former president of Boston College was
>>>>>>>>> asked what single thing could be done to improve the quality of
>>>>>>>>> education in this coutry? His answer: "Close the colleges of
>>>>>>>>> education."
>>
>>>>>>>>> It's almost criminal that no single, living, Nobel Laureate is
>>>>>>>>> legally permitted to teach in the public schools of my state (and
>>>>>>>>> probably yours); Nor can a retired engineer, nurse, physician do so
>>>>>>>>> either. No Pulitzer Prize winner is permitted to teach
>>>>>>>>> middle-school English. I could go on and on, but you get the idea:
>>
>>>>>>>>> The inmates are in charge of the asylum.
>>
>>>>>>>> Wanna feel better about the 'Merican educational system? Check out
>>>>>>>> the Nobel prizes in science for the Twentieth Century
>>>>>>>> awarded to Americans. Not too shabby. Explains why scientists
>>>>>>>> who want to be cutting edge, make sure to attend American
>>>>>>>> universities. We aren't worse. We are different. Primary and
>>>>>>>> secondary have problems but not the Universities,
>>
>>>>>>> Universities are having to allot more and more budget to remedial
>>>>>>> math and reading skills to their freshman because of the primary
>>>>>>> and secondary problems. This increases the cost of tuition
>>>>>>> overall, ultimately increasing the difficulty of students paying
>>>>>>> for their education. This will continue to be a problem as long
>>>>>>> as......
>>
>>>>>>>> except turf wars over budgets, idiots trying to finger anti-zionists
>>>>>>>> and, creation science.
>>
>>>>>>> .....people pretend the problems in the government schools all
>>>>>>> have to do with the fact that .1%% of the population has a "thing"
>>>>>>> about creation science (completely ignoring the fact that evolution
>>>>>>> is barely touched on in any HS class outside of AP Biology.
>>
>>>>>>> We're quite good at taking properly prepared students and turning
>>>>>>> them into Nobel Prize Winners. Underline "properly prepared." If
>>>>>>> the children aren't properly prepared, there's not much that can
>>>>>>> be done with them.
>>
>>>>>> Bullshit, the deficiencys can be fixed with any brats that will
>>>>>> benefit from a university education.
>>
>>>>> Interesting theory,
>>
>>> Then feel free to do so.
>>
>> If those individuals can be taught that stuff in secondary
>> school, they can obviously be taught it in a university instead.
>
> Perhaps. And if if that granted, at what cost to the rest of society?
>
> (It would be better if we got what we thought we were paying for at the
> secondary level.)
>
> Just out of curiosity -- why are you defending the failure of the secondary
> schools?
>
> JG (SO! looking forward to the answer to THAT question......?)
Well if you want to induce the kind of stress in kids that leads to
Japanese school children committing suicide, then you're probably on the
right track. But many educators don't think that kids are just miniature
adults and they would like to see them mature before stressing them.
European universities on the other hand are a bit of a cake walk in that
the student has already been chosen to fill a slot, so they just need to
make a decent effort to hang in. In Europe, American colleges and
universities are highly respected. So pissing and moaning about they do
it that way and we do it this way is like comparing the apples and
oranges.
In Europe, if you don't do well on your exams when you are 12 years old,
the university door closes and the trade school door opens up.
In 'Merica, you CAN screw up. If you change your mind about school, you
can always go back to a community college. If you do well in the
community college, you may find your self in a four year college. If you
do well there, you may find yourself doing post graduate work at a
prestigious university. This can't happen in Europe. Only in America.
--
Billy
Bush, Cheney & Pelosi, Behind Bars
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