In article
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Ian MacLure svpal.org> wrote:
>> In article
>>
c-61-68-245-199.per.connect.net.au>,
>> Billy getthe.net> wrote:
>> >>> Next up, use white phosphorus on civilian populations. Will the
>>> nincom-poop finally have something to say? Tune in for the next
>>> embarrassing adventure of Ian MacLure, "The Perfect Waste of Space".
>>
>> Welcome back to the continuing saga of Ian MacLure (aka Mr. Numbnuts),
>> "The Perfect Waste of Space".
>
> Do we use WP. You bet. As to Fallujah I, most civilians had
> evacuated. Some refused and were still there when the fighting
> started. Had we wanted we could have maximized civilian
> deaths very simply.
Citation please;o)
>
>> Last time we learned that supporters of President Monkey Smirk
>> were willing to accept the deaths of countless civilians in Monkey
>> Smirk's vanity war, if it lead to killing, scaring, waking up a
>> suspected nationalist, or militant, or (alleged) terrorist
>> (whatever). Heck, sometime a really loud boom is worth it.
>
> Sure. Look at Fallujah now. Its actually a working city
> and quite peaceful.
Citation please;o)
>
>> Anyway, todays walk down memory lane with our taciturn Mr. Numbnuts,
>> takes us to the use of "white phosphorous" on civilians.
>>
>> Billy - We use white phosphorus on civilian populations.
>
> If they are caught in a combat situation where Asshats try to
> use them as shields thats entirely possible.
Kill the village to save it. Wonderful. You know we could have given
them clean water and electricity, and had them eating out of our hands.
>
>>>
>> Ian MacLure's response
>> "Horseshit." (The man is a natural How does he think these
>> things up?)
>
> Well its not original actually. But then again none of your stuff,
You didn't say"Horseshit"?
>
>
> So?
Can't argue with that. Why did you respond?
>
>> US troops heading towards centre of Iraqi town of Falluja
>> Falluja suffered great damage during the offensive
>
> As defined by whom? By the Asshats losing 20 to kill 1 American
> is a great vicotry. Idjits....
Ansa Mediterranean (also ANSAmed and formerly Ansa) is an Italian news
agency.
>
>> US troops used white phosphorus as a weapon in last year's offensive in
>> the Iraqi city of Falluja, the US has said.
>
> Yup its a prt of the normal warload for arty and mortars.
>
>> "It was used as an incendiary weapon against enemy combatants,"
>> spokesman Lt Col Barry Venable told the BBC - though not against
>> civilians, he said.
>>
>> The US had earlier said the substance - which can cause burning of the
>> flesh - had been used only for illumination.
>
> Well it does do that too.
>
>> BBC defence correspondent Paul Wood says having to retract its denial is
>> a public relations disaster for the US.
>>
http://www.documentary-film.net/search/video-listings.php?e=8
>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus_use_in_Iraq
>> Use by Saddam Hussein
>> There are several cases in which white phosphorus (WP) has been used as
>> an anti-personnel weapon in Iraq by Saddam Hussein and the United
>> States. Although initially denied, its use was later confirmed by a
>> United States general serving in Iraq. General Pace, then Chairman of
>> the Joint Chiefs of Staff denied allegations that the weapon was used
>> against civilians, maintaining that it only targeted insurgents.[1]
>
> I dare say the insurgents were trying to stay as close to civilians
> as they could ( a violation of law in and of itself with which you
> don't seem too concerned ).
>
>> According to an undated ANSA article quoted by an RAI documentary,
>> White phosphorus was used by Saddam Hussein during the Halabja poison
>> gas attack: (transl.) "On the morning of March 16, 1988, the Iraqi
>> aerial forces bombed several times the city with a chemical cocktail of
>> nerve agents: yperite, tabun, VX, napalm and white phosphorus." WP use
>> had not been previously mentioned in other reports on Halabja.[2]
>
> So WP and Napalm are nerve agents now? Gee whiz I wonder (Troofers)
> where (Troofers) you got (Troofers) that one.
> Indiscriminate bombing of a civilian population as in Halabja with
> WMDs ( oh wait you turds claim he Sodom the Insane didn't have any )
No we knew, your boy, Ronnie Raygun and Don Rumfeld sold them to
Saggam Hussein, our revered ally against nasty ol' Iran who wouldn't
take having their democratically government over thrown by the
CIA and us installing our own murderous government, as just
a bit of funning.
> not the same thing as operations against armed Asshats. The Asshats
> were under obligation not to involve civilians. That they chose to
> involve civilians is their problem not ours.
>
>> First major assault on Fallujah
>> In April 2004, during the first major U.S. assault on Fallujah after the
>> fall of Saddam Hussein's government, Darrin Mortenson of the North
>> County Times in California reported that white phosphorus was used as an
>> incendiary weapon. Embedded with the 2nd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment,
>> Mortenson described one marine, Cpl. Bogert, and his mortar team in
>> action
>
> Yeah its what WP is. You seem surprised.
>
> Blather intended to obscure Asshat criminal behaviour snipped.
>
> [snip]
>
>> Behind the phosphorus clouds are war crimes within war crimes
>> We now know the US also used thermobaric weapons in its assault on
Falluja, where up to "50,000 civilians" remained.
(You left out the whole point of the debate, the civilians.)
White phosphorous is legal to use for lighting or smoke screens.
It is illegal as a weapon, and its' use against civilians is
barbaric. Etiquette, isn't your thing is it knuckle dragger?
>
> Do you even know what a thermobaric weapon is?
Thermobaric weapons distinguish themselves from conventional explosive
weapons by using atmospheric oxygen, instead of carrying an oxidizer in
their explosives. They are also called high-impulse thermobaric weapons
(HITs), fuel-air explosives (FAE or FAX) or sometimes fuel-air
munitions, heat and pressure weapons, or vacuum bombs. They produce more
explosive energy for a given size than do other conventional explosives,
but have the disadvantage of being less predictable in their effect
(influenced by weather).
The term thermobaric is derived from the Greek words for
