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Author: Zaroc StoneZaroc Stone Date: Sep 15, 2008 06:26
A Second Cold War with Russia? Not Likely
By Noam Chomsky, CounterPunch. Posted September 15, 2008.
It's in America's best interests to regard Russia a resurgent power
and not apply a strategy of confrontation against it.
Aghast at the atrocities committed by US forces invading the
Philippines, and the rhetorical flights about liberation and noble
intent that routinely accompany crimes of state, Mark Twain threw up
his hands at his inability to wield his formidable weapon of satire.
The immediate object of his frustration was the renowned General
Funston. "No satire of Funston could reach perfection," Twain
lamented, "because Funston occupies that summit himself Â… [he is]
satire incarnated."
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Author: tumblertumbler Date: Sep 15, 2008 09:19
Zaroc Stone wrote:
> A Second Cold War with Russia? Not Likely
Must be why they flew bombers to Venezuela on 911...
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/11/world/main4438101.shtml?source=RSSattr...
(CBS/ AP) Two Russian strategic bombers landed in Venezuela on Wednesday
as part of military maneuvers, President Hugo Chavez said, welcoming the
unprecedented deployment at a time of increasing tensions between Moscow
and the U.S.
The Venezuelan leader said the two Russian Tu-160 bombers will conduct
maneuvers and that he hopes to "fly one of those things" himself.
Russian military analysts said it was the first time Russian strategic
bombers have landed in the Western Hemisphere since the Cold War. The
surprise foray into Venezuela was certain to anger Washington and add to
the strain in U.S.-Russian relations over Russia's war in Georgia.
Chavez called the deployment part of a move toward a "pluri-polar world"
- a reference to moving away from U.S. dominance. "The Yankee hegemony
is finished," Chavez said in a televised speech.
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Date: Sep 15, 2008 11:21
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:19:09 -0600, tumbler wrote:
>Zaroc Stone wrote:
>> A Second Cold War with Russia? Not Likely
>
>Must be why they flew bombers to Venezuela on 911...
It's one of those Sovereignty things, doncha see. And in that game,
it's all sauce/goose/gander.
If we can deploy naval ships of the line to a furn port to demonstrate
our strength and capacity, so can the Russians.
If we can fly our aircraft hither and yon to demonstrate our capacity,
then so can the Russians.
Fair's fair in international relations.
Don't, however, presume that's a resumption of the Cold War. It
doesn't even come Close to what that was.
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Author: tumblertumbler Date: Sep 15, 2008 11:21
Don Homuth wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:19:09 -0600, tumbler wrote:
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>> Zaroc Stone wrote:
>>> A Second Cold War with Russia? Not Likely
>> Must be why they flew bombers to Venezuela on 911...
>
> It's one of those Sovereignty things, doncha see. And in that game,
> it's all sauce/goose/gander.
>
Always taking the commies' side, typical homu.
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Date: Sep 15, 2008 11:33
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:21:58 -0600, tumbler wrote:
>Don Homuth wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:19:09 -0600, tumbler wrote:
>>
>>> Zaroc Stone wrote:
>>>> A Second Cold War with Russia? Not Likely
>>> Must be why they flew bombers to Venezuela on 911...
>>
>> It's one of those Sovereignty things, doncha see. And in that game,
>> it's all sauce/goose/gander.
>>
>Always taking the commies' side, typical homu.
Nope
-- the observation is true of Any nation. The Brits, French and
others do the same sorts of things now and again as well.
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Author: tumblertumbler Date: Sep 15, 2008 11:33
Don Homuth wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:21:58 -0600, tumbler wrote:
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>> Don Homuth wrote:
>>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:19:09 -0600, tumbler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Zaroc Stone wrote:
>>>>> A Second Cold War with Russia? Not Likely
>>>> Must be why they flew bombers to Venezuela on 911...
>>> It's one of those Sovereignty things, doncha see. And in that game,
>>> it's all sauce/goose/gander.
>>>
>> Always taking the commies' side, typical homu.
>
> Nope --
Yup.
Every damned time.
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Author: tumblertumbler Date: Sep 15, 2008 21:31
Don Homuth wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:33:42 -0600, tumbler wrote:
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>> Don Homuth wrote:
>>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:21:58 -0600, tumbler wrote:
>>>
>>>> Don Homuth wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:19:09 -0600, tumbler wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Zaroc Stone wrote:
>>>>>>> A Second Cold War with Russia? Not Likely
>>>>>> Must be why they flew bombers to Venezuela on 911...
>>>>> It's one of those Sovereignty things, doncha see. And in that game,
>>>>> it's all sauce/goose/gander.
>>>>>
>>>> Always taking the commies' side, typical homu.
>>> Nope --
>> Yup.
>>
>> Every damned time. ...
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Date: Sep 16, 2008 07:24
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:31:44 -0600, tumbler wrote:
>Don Homuth wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:33:42 -0600, tumbler wrote:
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>>> Don Homuth wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:21:58 -0600, tumbler wrote:
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Author: Zaroc StoneZaroc Stone Date: Sep 16, 2008 08:16
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:31:44 -0600, tumbler wrote:
>Don Homuth wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:33:42 -0600, tumbler wrote:
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>>> Don Homuth wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:21:58 -0600, tumbler wrote:
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