On Mar 31, 6:44 pm, AWR7MM...@webtv.net (Mike Corey) wrote:

You keep repeating the groundless assertion that there are magical
reserves waiting to be set free "if only" someone would let us trash
more wilderness and run down some caribou. It just isn't true. Oil
gets harder to find every day, and geologists are encountering fewer
surprise reserves (law of diminishing returns). ANWR would only
provide a year of U.S. usage at most.

The tar sands in Canada come at great cost (classic down-slope of peak
oil curve) and cannot satiate U.S. oil thirst. Canadians themselves
are feeling ripped off by lopsided tar-oil exports to the U.S.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athabasca_Tar_Sands

"Enough Already" lycos.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 31, 3:08 pm, Gearjockey yahoo.com> wrote:

You need get past the abstraction of money and face physical
realities. Oil is finite and nature has no concern for human welfare.
The inevitability of peak oil production won't go away because of
pouting.

Read and learn: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%%22peak+oil+primer%%22

Wasteful protests, like truckers clogging the NJ Turnpike (today) will
only waste more fuel, which is ironic beyond belief. Growthism has
deluded sheeple into an illogical "no limits!" mindset that can't
continue on a finite planet.

"Gearjockey" yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Get the ball rolling right into a sewer grate. Online petitions don't mean
shit.

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On Mar 31, 6:44 pm, AWR7MM...@webtv.net (Mike Corey) wrote:

On Mar 31, 8:56 pm, "theloneranger...@aol.com"
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I am from Canada but wanted to support the American trucker as my
husband hauls into the US and he refused to do a haul this week in
respect to your strike. I signed the petition and had a hard time
believing that I was only the 694 person to sign it. I thought there
would have been a lot more people signing this as I know how many o/o
there are out there.... come on guys... power in numbers

On Wed, 2 Apr 2008 07:16:10 -0700 (PDT), wendy@odmechanical.com wrote:

enough_already@lycos.com (Enough Already) wrote:

My source is the President and CEO of Shell Oil Company. He says that
there is enough oil in North America to keep us going at the current
usage for 100 years. Then another 100 years if we could find a way to
extract that oil in the sand pits of Canada. Surely by then science will
find an alternative fuel source, wouldn't you agree?

The President and CEO of Shell Oil Company said that from the first day
crude oil started to be tapped, the earth held 3 trillion barrels of
crude. We have yet to use 1 trillion. Do the math, there is 2 trillion
barrels just sitting there, waiting to be pumped.

Your source is wikipedia.org? An entire server filled with opinions of
any smuck that can bang on a keyboard? That's laughable.

Nobody in the oil industry, thinks you can use all the oil they can locate.
You can't even use all the oil under the well you are operating. It's
generally true that you plan to produce about half of the oil you are
certain is at any particular well. Oil is not a liquid in an underground
pool waiting to be drained. It is between sand/rock grains in certain
geologic formations. Yes, you can get some more oil out from almost
depleted fields by using techinques like steam injection. Our company
geologists were attempting to use turbine engines to generate steam and
pressure to boost oil production from otherwise uneconomic leases.

I was a nearly insignificant cog in a tiny oil company 2 decades ago and
there are more misconceptions about the oil business than about trucking and
UFOs combined. Not one working geologist anywhere...

Correction. Abiotic theory of oil is the kook theory that oil isn't the
vestige of long dead biology. Whatever non-biological means creates oil is
creating oil at rates high enough that we won't run out. The standard
theory of oil is the dead dinosaur theory. That's a shorthand name for it
even if the oil is the product of animals other than dinosaurs, like
plankton or algea from distant geological periods.

A year or two back some Brit was making the rounds of a few radio programs
selling his book or discussing his published research paper. He use various
biological test methods, think DNA tests, to see which "animals" produced
what types of petroleum and petroleum products. If I recall correctly, the
portion of petroleum that eventually becomes gasoline is largly the result
of small sea creatures like plankton.

My previous posts was in error and made it sound like "abiotic" oil was the
"dead-dinosaur" oil. Dead-dinosaur oil is what we are finding and abiotic
oil is a mythical substance that sells books. It's equivalent to the
flat-earth theory of geology.

And for the record I want all restrictions on oil discovery and production
lifted everywhere. Put it in my yard, your yard, Ted Kennedy's yard.
Declare a national emergeny and put refineries in the...