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Author: ibshambatibshambat Date: Dec 28, 2007 11:05
A Russian writer stated, "In Russia, there are two kinds of people:
Smart and mean, and stupid and kind." In America, the mind and heart
can be seen arranged in two significant misdirections, and with other
more positive possibilities.
One common American misdirection is the Midwestern-style anti-
intellectual "hey-mr-smartie-pants-who-do-you-think-you-are" crowd.
These compensate for their intellectual inferiority by claiming that
someone who has a mind can't also have a heart. The other is the
emotionally repressive rationalists, reductionists, logical
positivists, behaviorists, "skeptics," eliminativists, and others who
want to deny the validity of anything intuitive or heart-involving.
These compensate for their emotional inferiority by claiming that
those who have a heart can't also have a mind. Both are in grave
error.
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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: Dec 28, 2007 15:26
>A Russian writer stated, "In Russia, there are two kinds of people:
> Smart and mean, and stupid and kind." In America, the mind and heart
> can be seen arranged in two significant misdirections, and with other
> more positive possibilities.
>
> One common American misdirection is the Midwestern-style anti-
> intellectual "hey-mr-smartie-pants-who-do-you-think-you-are" crowd.
> These compensate for their intellectual inferiority by claiming that
> someone who has a mind can't also have a heart. The other is the
> emotionally repressive rationalists, reductionists, logical
> positivists, behaviorists, "skeptics," eliminativists, and others who
> want to deny the validity of anything intuitive or heart-involving.
> These compensate for their emotional inferiority by claiming that
> those who have a heart can't also have a mind. Both are in grave
> error.
>
> In effect, there are good hearts and bad hearts at every level of
> intellect. There are brilliant jerks like Freud, Hitler or J. Edgar ...
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Author: Michael GordgeMichael Gordge Date: Dec 28, 2007 15:36
On Dec 29, 8:26Â am, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> Nice piece. I would make just one comment. People > are born with kind hearts.
No they aren't, people have to reason all of their actions and ideas
and emotions, they're all a part of knowledge and problem solving.
e.g. Why cant you reason the love you have or vice verse for your
spouse children mother father? DONT ANSWER, not with specifics anyway,
its only meant as a question to trigger thought.
It'd help relationships a lot if people at least tried to reason their
feelings, shucks they may even learn why and how to become kinder, or
meaner in the case of evil.
Michael Gordge
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Author: ibshambat2004ibshambat2004 Date: Dec 29, 2007 04:37
On Dec 29, 10:36Â am, Michael Gordge xtra.co.nz> wrote:> On Dec 29, 8:26Â am, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>> Nice piece. I would make just one comment. People > are born with kind hearts.
Are you sure about that one?
> No they aren't, people have to reason all of their actions and ideas
> and emotions, they're all a part of knowledge and problem solving.
You're getting better, but you are missing an important point.
Actions, ideas, emotions and mind feed into each other. There are many
things that take place for which you don't have context in reference
to how you've been taught to reason, but develop one later when you
find out other ways to think and see things.
As an example, since you are a Randian, in Anthem, the guy in the
communist group who invented electricity first thought he was evil,
but then discovered that he was right after he left the group & its
beliefs. His ideas, actions, emotions, were first seen with guilt from
how he was taught to think. He found better later.
> e.g. Why cant you reason the love you have or vice verse for your
> spouse children mother father?
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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: Dec 29, 2007 07:04
"Michael Gordge" xtra.co.nz> wrote in message
news:eb22a408-71f3-4f5c-b9e5-6421fbda9797@i12g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 29, 8:26 am, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> Nice piece. I would make just one comment. People > are born with kind
> hearts.
No they aren't, people have to reason all of their actions and ideas
and emotions, they're all a part of knowledge and problem solving.
***That has no bearing on what Im saying. You may as well respond "all
people breath".It is the difference the way people are able to do this that
***demonstrate what Im saying.
e.g. Why cant you reason the love you have or vice verse for your
spouse children mother father? DONT ANSWER, not with specifics anyway,
its only meant as a question to trigger thought.
***DONT RERAD MY ANSWER...the only time you refer to love here is with
regards to family.
It'd help relationships a lot if people at least tried to reason their
feelings, shucks they may even learn why and how to become kinder, or
meaner in the case of evil.
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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: Dec 29, 2007 07:09
hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 29, 10:36 am, Michael Gordge xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> On Dec 29, 8:26 am, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>> Nice piece. I would make just one comment. People > are born with kind
>> hearts.
Are you sure about that one?
***Absolutely. Some people rise above lifes circumstances and some try to
get even.
> No they aren't, people have to reason all of their actions and ideas
> and emotions, they're all a part of knowledge and problem solving.
Thats was Mike , not me. Im already better :-)
You're getting better, but you are missing an important point.
Actions, ideas, emotions and mind feed into each other. There are many
things that take place for which you don't have context in reference
to how you've been taught to reason, but develop one later when you
find out other ways to think and see things.
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Author: ZerkonXZerkonX Date: Dec 29, 2007 07:24
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:05:49 -0800, ibshambat wrote:
> In effect, there are good hearts and bad hearts at every level of
> intellect.
In effect, in order to greatly simplify things only for the sake of a
discussion, 'hearts' are divided up into two opposing metaphorical
differences. While having no basis in truth and wallowing in the same
stereotypes it fains to refute, it enables the participant/reader to feel
above the common fray of the mistaken and ignorant masses.
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Author: brian fletcherbrian fletcher Date: Dec 29, 2007 15:54
"ZerkonX" erconX.org> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.12.29.15.24.00.271948@erconX.org...> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:05:49 -0800, ibshambat wrote:
>
>> In effect, there are good hearts and bad hearts at every level of
>> intellect.
>
> In effect, in order to greatly simplify things only for the sake of a
> discussion, 'hearts' are divided up into two opposing metaphorical
> differences. While having no basis in truth and wallowing in the same
> stereotypes it fains to refute, it enables the participant/reader to feel
> above the common fray of the mistaken and ignorant masses.
>
Ther has been some significant studies on heart replacement recipients,
whereby some of the doners characteristics are passed on.
The double blind is "in built" as the subjects were unaware of the identity
of the doner..
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Author: ibshambatibshambat Date: Jan 1, 2008 03:55
On Dec 30 2007, 2:24Â am, ZerkonX erconX.org> wrote:> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:05:49 -0800, ibshambat wrote:
>> In effect, there are good hearts and bad hearts at every level of
>> intellect.
>
> In effect, in order to greatly simplify things only for the sake of a
> discussion, 'hearts' are divided up into two opposing metaphorical
> differences. While having no basis in truth and wallowing in the same
> stereotypes it fains to refute, it enables the participant/reader to feel
> above the common fray of the mistaken and ignorant masses.
In fact, it is people like you that seek to keep "masses" ignorant by
denying to them the heart knowledge that comes through poetry, graphic
arts, revelation, and other channels for expressed intuitive thought.
At this time, the people you keep ignorant the most are other
rationalist snobs like you. But the authoritarianism of your mentality
can be of danger to many others, including especially the ones under
your control.
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Author: ibshambatibshambat Date: Jan 1, 2008 04:17
On Dec 30 2007, 10:54Â am, "brian fletcher" bigpond.net.au>
wrote:> "ZerkonX" erconX.org> wrote in message
>
> news:pan.2007.12.29.15.24.00.271948@erconX.org...> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 11:05:49 -0800, ibshambat wrote:
>>>> In effect, there are good hearts and bad hearts at every level of
>>> intellect.
>
>> In effect, in order to greatly simplify things only for the sake of a
>> discussion, 'hearts' are divided up into two opposing metaphorical
>> differences. While having no basis in truth and wallowing in the same
>> stereotypes it fains to refute, it enables the participant/reader to feel
>> above the common fray of the mistaken and ignorant masses.
>
> Ther has been some significant studies on heart replacement recipients,
> whereby some of the doners characteristics are passed on.
>
> The double blind is "in built" as the subjects were unaware of the identity
> of the doner.. ...
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