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Date: May 4, 2008 11:18

"George" wrote in message
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>h wrote:
>>>>>> I believe it has to do with the VISA and MasterCard
>>>>>> pre-authorizations
>>>>>> (I'm not sure if this is still the case, but the MasterCard limit per
>>>>>> transaction was set at $75.00).
>>>>> That makes sense. (Even if using a credit card to buy gas doesn't.)
>>>> Makes more sense than ever. I get 3%% off for using the card. 3%% of
>>>> $4 gas is better than 3%% of the $1 gas I was getting when I signed up.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>> Not really, you (and everyone else who purchases stuff) is paying for
>>> your "rewards" because the merchant has to charge more.
>>
>> Umm, the rewards are from the credit card issuer, not the merchant. I'm a
>> merchant, and I have no idea who uses a rewards card and who doesn't.
>> Rewards don't affect merchants' costs one bit, unless the merchant is
>> also the issuer of the card (Sears, etc.)
> ...
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Re: Gas Prices         


Author: Chloe
Date: May 4, 2008 12:14

"George" wrote in message
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> Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>> Terri micron.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Paul M. Eldridge wrote in
>>> news:fflr14he7qelmkd9940981fmkafhvgbibp@4ax.com:
>> -snip-
>>>> I believe it has to do with the VISA and MasterCard pre-authorizations
>>>> (I'm not sure if this is still the case, but the MasterCard limit per
>>>> transaction was set at $75.00).
>>> That makes sense. (Even if using a credit card to buy gas doesn't.)
>>
>> Makes more sense than ever. I get 3%% off for using the card. 3%% of
>> $4 gas is better than 3%% of the $1 gas I was getting when I signed up.
>>
>> Jim
> Not really, you (and everyone else who purchases stuff) is paying for your
> "rewards"...
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Re: Gas Prices         


Author: Rod Speed
Date: May 4, 2008 12:27

George wrote
> Jim Elbrecht wrote
>> Terri micron.net> wrote
>>> Paul M. Eldridge wrote
>>>> I believe it has to do with the VISA and MasterCard
>>>> pre-authorizations (I'm not sure if this is still the case, but
>>>> the MasterCard limit per transaction was set at $75.00).
>>> That makes sense. (Even if using a credit card to buy gas doesn't.)
>> Makes more sense than ever. I get 3%% off for using the card. 3%% of $4 gas is better than 3%% of the $1 gas I was
>> getting when I signed up.
> Not really, you (and everyone else who purchases stuff) is paying for your "rewards" because the merchant has to
> charge more.

Nope, the card companys get it from the interest they charge
the fools who dont pay off their cards in full every month.
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Re: Gas Prices         


Date: May 4, 2008 12:38

"Chloe" spam.com> wrote in message
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> "George" wrote in message
> news:Hp-dnWTXFOkqd4DVnZ2dnUVZ_hCdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> Jim Elbrecht wrote:
>>> Terri micron.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Paul M. Eldridge wrote in
>>>> news:fflr14he7qelmkd9940981fmkafhvgbibp@4ax.com:
>>> -snip-
>>>>> I believe it has to do with the VISA and MasterCard pre-authorizations
>>>>> (I'm not sure if this is still the case, but the MasterCard limit per
>>>>> transaction was set at $75.00).
>>>> That makes sense. (Even if using a credit card to buy gas doesn't.)
>>>
>>> Makes more sense than ever. I get 3%% off for using the card. 3%% of
>>> $4 gas is better than 3%% of the $1 gas I was getting when I signed up.
>>>
>>> Jim
>> Not really, you (and everyone else who purchases stuff) is paying for ...
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Re: Gas Prices         


Author: The Etobian
Date: May 4, 2008 12:42

On Sun, 04 May 2008 13:59:22 -0400, George
wrote:
>You have to mark up your prices to cover the costs of credit cards. And
>either by law in some states and typically always in your merchant
>agreement you can't offer a cash discount so all of your customers are
>paying for their "rewards". Thats one reason why I patronize the cash
>only gas station down the road from me. Better price and the megabanks
>don't get to collect another fee.

In my experience, cash-only gas stations are either the same price or
higher than the ones accepting credit cards.
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Re: Gas Prices         


Author: The Etobian
Date: May 4, 2008 12:44

On Sun, 04 May 2008 12:56:18 -0400, George
wrote:
>Not really, you (and everyone else who purchases stuff) is paying for
>your "rewards" because the merchant has to charge more.

Why is it that if credit cards charge merchants 2%%, that credit cards
are thought to cost 2%% more than cash?

Since when is handling cash (from customer to bank, and everything in
between) free?
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Re: Gas Prices         


Author: Dave
Date: May 4, 2008 13:30

> Why are the mpg's so horrible even in small cars? I had a 1984 5
> speed stick shift Nissan Sentra wagon that got 49 mpg hiway. Why the
> heck can't they make that car today?

Federal regulations adding mass and WEIGHT. That, and customers expect even
4-banger engines to produce 200HP or somewhere near there. Strip away all
the excess weight, drop the cylinders to TWO OR THREE, and tune the engines
for fuel economy rather than high horsepower and high torque. Then you will
see a Nissan Sentra wagon at close to 80MPG highway. But it'll never
happen. Not in the U.S. anyway. -Dave
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Re: Gas Prices         


Author: Rod Speed
Date: May 4, 2008 14:24

Dave wrote:
>> Why are the mpg's so horrible even in small cars? I had a 1984 5 speed stick shift Nissan Sentra wagon that got 49
>> mpg hiway. Why the heck can't they make that car today?
> Federal regulations adding mass and WEIGHT.

The small consumer diesels add weight and gain better mpg anyway.
> That, and customers expect even 4-banger engines to produce 200HP or somewhere near there.

Nope, the car manufacturers produce them like that.
> Strip away all the excess weight, drop the cylinders to TWO OR THREE, and tune the engines for fuel economy rather
> than high horsepower and high torque. Then you will see a Nissan Sentra wagon at close to 80MPG highway. But it'll
> never happen. Not in the U.S. anyway.

Have fun explaining how come the VW diesels manage to do it fine even now.
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Re: -probably_junk- Re: Gas Prices         


Author: George
Date: May 4, 2008 14:53

caloo calay wrote:
> A lot of folks are "locked in" to high gas consumption because their
> commutes are long. Even with a 35 mpg car, it adds up quick. Of
> course they could "unlock" themselves, but that would be a big pain in
> the a##, involving moving closer to work (and inviting immediate
> firing or layoff), or quitting current job and getting new job closer
> to home (also a pain : new health insurance, possible loss of health
> ins for 6 months, new job might suck, etc etc)
>
> Small cars are less safe than big cars. Get whacked in a small car
> and have a llifetime of pain. No fun.

Not necessarily, go watch any of the numerous videos where a Smart car
(made by Daimler, and now available in the US) passes all of the safety
tests and is shown being survivable driven into walls at speed and all
sorts of side impact situations.
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Re: Gas Prices         


Author: George
Date: May 4, 2008 14:56

h wrote:
> "George" wrote in message
> news:s8idnTbng84UZIDVnZ2dnUVZ_ommnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> h wrote:
>>>>>>> I believe it has to do with the VISA and MasterCard
>>>>>>> pre-authorizations
>>>>>>> (I'm not sure if this is still the case, but the MasterCard limit per
>>>>>>> transaction was set at $75.00).
>>>>>> That makes sense. (Even if using a credit card to buy gas doesn't.)
>>>>> Makes more sense than ever. I get 3%% off for using the card. 3%% of
>>>>> $4 gas is better than 3%% of the $1 gas I was getting when I signed up.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>> Not really, you (and everyone else who purchases stuff) is paying for
>>>> your "rewards" because the merchant has to charge more.
>>> Umm, the rewards are from the credit card issuer, not the merchant. I'm a
>>> merchant, and I have no idea who uses a rewards card and who doesn't.
>>> Rewards don't affect merchants' costs one bit, unless the merchant is
>>> also the issuer of the card (Sears, etc.)
>> You have to mark up your prices to cover the costs of credit cards. And ...
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