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Author: Prisoner at WarPrisoner at War Date: May 10, 2008 21:01
Well, speaking of SBI!...two of the things I've learned from them are
"empty forum prejudice" and "advertising prejudice"...apparently, an
empty forum turns off visitors such that they never visit the site
again -- true?
SBI! recommends starting a forum -- if necessary in the first place --
only when there are at least fifty visitors a day; preferably one
hundred...but if empty forum prejudice does exist, could it be
successfully counters -- outright neutralized -- by good original
content??
And advertising prejudice...apparently there are people who stop
visiting a site when ads go up...nothing outrageous, now, like
constant pop-ups and fly-overs and animated banners...but apparently
there are people who just don't like any advertising at all -- and
these directory editors are among them! Is that true, too?? Why
should people have no problem (or very little) with "old media" like
newspapers being supported by advertising but have such a problem with
websites that do the same, even those they had previously enjoyed,
such that they never visit again??
As always, many thanks for all your time and help!
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Author: Jerry StuckleJerry Stuckle Date: May 11, 2008 06:49
Prisoner at War wrote:
> Well, speaking of SBI!...two of the things I've learned from them are
> "empty forum prejudice" and "advertising prejudice"...apparently, an
> empty forum turns off visitors such that they never visit the site
> again -- true?
>
> SBI! recommends starting a forum -- if necessary in the first place --
> only when there are at least fifty visitors a day; preferably one
> hundred...but if empty forum prejudice does exist, could it be
> successfully counters -- outright neutralized -- by good original
> content??
>
> And advertising prejudice...apparently there are people who stop
> visiting a site when ads go up...nothing outrageous, now, like
> constant pop-ups and fly-overs and animated banners...but apparently
> there are people who just don't like any advertising at all -- and
> these directory editors are among them! Is that true, too?? Why
> should people have no problem (or very little) with "old media" like
> newspapers being supported by advertising but have such a problem with
> websites that do the same, even those they had previously enjoyed, ...
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Author: Prisoner at WarPrisoner at War Date: May 11, 2008 08:34
Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't understand "cross-posting
prejudice" -- I mean, my question is relevant to the newsgroups cross-
posted; I'm not asking about visitor psychology in rec.europe.travel
or something! Am I supposed to post the same message to every
relevant newsgroup instead?? Just how does relevant cross-posting
detract from anyone's experience of usenet?
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Author: Rob McAninchRob McAninch Date: May 11, 2008 12:22
On 2008-05-11 11:34:04 -0400, Prisoner at War yahoo.com> said:
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> On May 11, 9:49 am, Jerry Stuckle attglobal.net> wrote:
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>> I'd suggest you stop cross posting to so many newsgroups. If you want
>> to discuss this, pick one or two whcih are appropriate and limit
>> yourself to those.
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>> Otherwise people are going to stop answering you.
>
> Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't understand "cross-posting
> prejudice" -- I mean, my question is relevant to the newsgroups cross-
> posted; I'm not asking about visitor psychology in rec.europe.travel
> or something! Am I supposed to post the same message to every
> relevant newsgroup instead?? Just how does relevant cross-posting
> detract from anyone's experience of usenet?
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Author: Prisoner at WarPrisoner at War Date: May 11, 2008 15:19
On May 11, 3:22 pm, Rob McAninch rock13.com> wrote:
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> No multiposting would typically be worse. Just pick a group or two,
> look for feedback. Incorporate it, then consider posting in another
> group to get a different angle.
Thanks, maybe I'll try to limit myself to only two or three groups in
the future, but I just thought that my question would be relevant to
the newsgroups I'd chosen.
> Crossposting to too may groups, often gets your messages filtered by
> either news servers or readers (as it is sign of spam). Or may lead to
> many similar comments as a larger number of people are replying at
> about the same time.
Yes, "duplicate" comments could be an issue, but it seems fairly
minor. As for spam, well, someone could easily just spam to one
newsgroup at a time, too, to get around filters and whatnot. I don't
see why someone like me should be "penalized" for that...that's like
saying everyone bearing a U.S. passport ought to be inconvenienced due
the actions of others who also bear U.S. passports.
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Author: Jerry StuckleJerry Stuckle Date: May 11, 2008 15:21
Prisoner at War wrote:
> On May 11, 3:22 pm, Rob McAninch rock13.com> wrote:
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>> No multiposting would typically be worse. Just pick a group or two,
>> look for feedback. Incorporate it, then consider posting in another
>> group to get a different angle.
>
> Thanks, maybe I'll try to limit myself to only two or three groups in
> the future, but I just thought that my question would be relevant to
> the newsgroups I'd chosen.
>
>> Crossposting to too may groups, often gets your messages filtered by
>> either news servers or readers (as it is sign of spam). Or may lead to
>> many similar comments as a larger number of people are replying at
>> about the same time.
>
> Yes, "duplicate" comments could be an issue, but it seems fairly
> minor. As for spam, well, someone could easily just spam to one
> newsgroup at a time, too, to get around filters and whatnot. I don't
> see why someone like me should be "penalized" for that...that's like ...
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Author: Prisoner at WarPrisoner at War Date: May 11, 2008 16:26
On May 11, 6:21 pm, Jerry Stuckle attglobal.net> wrote:
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> Then may I suggest you READ before your WRITE. Read at least 2-3 weeks
> worth of messages in a newsgroup (more, if it's a slow group) before
> posting there. Ensure your posts will be welcome in that particular
> newsgroup.
I'm sorry, but I just have a different conception of usenet -- it's a
gigantic bulletin board, and people ask, and respond, as they will.
Now you've just engaged in unprovoked and unwarranted ad hominem
attacks on me in that other thread concerning SBI! and here you're
talking about rules and etiquette??
> Otherwise you'll soon find yourself with a reputation which will deter
> people from helping you.
People who would "help" me only if I would leap through their hoops
are not genuinely interested in helping and sharing.
That's like some evangelicals who feed the homeless -- only after
making them sit through a sermon.
"Help" should be, as the Catholic nuns say, "do good, and disappear."
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Author: Prisoner at WarPrisoner at War Date: May 11, 2008 17:48
On May 11, 8:11 pm, dorayme optusnet.com.au> wrote:
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> I like this *shorter* post. Not at all bad. (Wait to get abused badly by
> JS).
Oh, is he the self-appointed hallway monitor in this asylum? Okay,
understood; every newsgroup has got one or two or three or more such
folks. They spend time saying disagreeable things like
shutupnobodygivesadamnyoumoronjustfollowmyruleswhichareforthecommongoodofall
and ironically contribute to usenet's demise about as much as an AOL
or Google.
> Some people laughingly say how their favorite ng is not a free help
> desk and then go on to outline the price in blood!
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Author: doraymedorayme Date: May 11, 2008 18:16
In article
b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Prisoner at War yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 11, 8:11 pm, dorayme optusnet.com.au> wrote:
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>> I like this *shorter* post. Not at all bad. (Wait to get abused badly by
>> JS).
>
> Oh, is he the self-appointed hallway monitor in this asylum? Okay,
> understood;
Not sure which group - truth is, I don't subscribe to most on the list
in your post, I wonder if that is why JR's posts are getting past my
filters? Never mind.
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