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  Re: Planned Obselescence....A Good Thing?         


Author: Rod Speed
Date: Jan 15, 2007 18:36

Too_Many_Tools yahoo.com> wrote
>>> Just sit back and watch the screams when HD
>>> is phased into the USA in a couple of years...and
>>> hundreds of millions of televisions go obselete at once.
>> No they dont, you just get a set top box.
> Wanna bet?

Yep, they are buyable now.
> If you were the television manufacturers, would
> you let millions of consumers keep their current
> sets if you have a chance to sell new product?

They get no say what so ever on that.
> And since houses have multiple television sets,
> each will require a convertor box...

Duh. Much cheaper than a new TV.
> which at this time has yet to have a firm price set for it.

Wrong, there are plenty of them available right now.
> Rod Speed wrote:
>> Too_Many_Tools yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> ...and let's not forget those plasma tvs of ' a certain well known
>>>> brand who invented the walkman' with the driver chips...
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  Re: Planned Obselescence....A Good Thing?         


Author: Rick Brandt
Date: Jan 15, 2007 18:34

clare at snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 10:01:43 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> gmail.com> wrote:
> It's the bean counters that dictate the quality or lack thereof that
> makes the part failure prone in the first place, and glue is a lot
> cheaper than screws. Moulded power cords, on the other hand, are not
> only CHEAPER, but "more reliable" They are cheaper to make than just
> the replaceable end itself because they are moulded in place.

Let's imagine that conversation...

BeanCounter: "Make the product cheaper"
Engineer: "Sure, what do you suggest?"
BeanCounter: "I have no idea. I'm an accountant, not an engineer!"
(at this point everyone at the meeting stops paying attention to the
BeanCounter)

Cost reduction is a *technical problem*, it cannot simply be mandated by fiat.
Every company is a bit different but I work at a company that manufactures
capital equipment and I can tell you that there are no accountants even invited
to these meetings. Ours (and many companies) are RUN by the engineering
departments. All other departments are considered "support".
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  Re: Planned Obselescence....A Good Thing?         


Author: Rod Speed
Date: Jan 15, 2007 18:32

Mike Hartigan hartigan.dot.com> wrote
> Rod Speed rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com wrote
>> Mike Hartigan hartigan.dot.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com wrote
>>>>> Ever wonder why Dilbert and the television show
>>>>> "The Office" are so popular...because they are so true.
>>>> Nope, because they exaggerate what really happens.
>>> Isn't "what really happens" the same as "true"?
>> Nope, Dilbert ain 'what really happens'
> Maybe you would be so kind as to explain the
> difference between "what really happens" and "true".

Already did. Concentrate on the words exaggerate and caricature.

Look them up if necessary.
>>> What am I missing here?
>> The exaggeration, stupid.
> Well, there goes any hope I had for an intelligent discussion. I'm outta here.

Great, there is only so much of your mindless silly shit anyone should have to put up with.
>>> Perhaps "true" is not accurate since they don't deal with actual
>>> events.
>>
>> Or because its exaggerated.
>>
>>> "True to life" is probably a better characterization of 'The
>>> Office' and 'Dilbert'...
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  Re: Planned Obselescence....A Good Thing?         


Author: Rod Speed
Date: Jan 15, 2007 18:30

lsmartino gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Well, it can be estimated how long will a power semiconductor
>>> run if you leave it without a proper heatsink.
>> Not in a domestic environment it aint, because
>> the ambient temperature varys so much.
>> I got a bit of a start relatively recently when someone was having
>> overheating problems with their PC to discover that they were one
>> of the few in this area who were silly enough to have no form of
>> cooling whatever, not even a swamp cooler, in an area which can
>> see 10 days over 40C some summers. We had one just last week
>> and it got to 44C, and it was like walking into a furnace walking
>> outside my airconditioned house.
> They can do the estimate considering an ambient temperature of 20
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  Re: Planned Obselescence....A Good Thing?         


Author: Rod Speed
Date: Jan 15, 2007 18:13

lsmartino gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Not necessarily. They can move the charging circuit to the cell in itself.
>> Not practical with AA and AAA batterys being discussed.
>> In spades with an ipod battery.
> Why? Because you say it?

Nope, because even you should have noticed the
problem with the space in the batterys the ipod uses.
> Oh please...

Down on your knees and beg properly...
>>> Of course that will steal space from the chemical part of
>>> the cell with the resultant capacity loss, but it can be done.
>> But isnt practical and it cant be done with an ipod battery anyway.
>>> Thus the charger used to recharge the battery becames
>>> inmaterial because any proper voltage source will suffice.
>> The problem aint the voltage source.
> You say that because probably you don
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  Re: Planned Obselescence....A Good Thing?         


Author: Rod Speed
Date: Jan 15, 2007 18:02

clare at snyder.on.ca wrote
> Rod Speed gmail.com> wrote
>> clare at snyder.on.ca wrote
>>> Rod Speed gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Too_Many_Tools yahoo.com> wrote
>>>>>> Having BTDT (for 30+ yrs) w/ several engineering/manufacturing
>>>>>> firms from very large to start-ups which grew until were bought
>>>>>> by very large, I have to agree w/ Rick here...while there...
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  Re: Planned Obselescence....A Good Thing?         


Author: Rod Speed
Date: Jan 15, 2007 17:58

clare at snyder.on.ca wrote
> Rod Speed gmail.com> wrote
>> Mike Hartigan hartigan.dot.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com wrote
>>>>> Ever wonder why Dilbert and the television show
>>>>> "The Office" are so popular...because they are so true.
>>>> Nope, because they exaggerate what really happens.
>>> Isn't "what really happens" the same as "true"?
>> Nope, Dilbert ain 'what really happens'
>>> What am I missing here?
>> The exaggeration, stupid.
> It is BASED ON FACT.

Its an EXAGGERATION of the facts, just like any caricature/satire is.
>>> Perhaps "true" is not accurate since they don't deal with actual events.
>> Or because its exaggerated.
> It is BASED ON REALITY

Its an EXAGGERATION of the reality, just like any caricature/satire is.
>>> "True to life" is probably a better characterization of 'The Office' and 'Dilbert'.
>> Nope, its an exaggeration of reality.
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  Re: Planned Obselescence....A Good Thing?         


Author: Rod Speed
Date: Jan 15, 2007 17:52

lsmartino gmail.com> wrote:
> Andrew VK3BFA ha escrito:
>
>> clare wrote:
>>
>> I thought this rod speed "person " was a bit too much, so did a
>> Google on [ "Rod Speed" troll.]
>>
>> Pages of stuff.
>>
>> This one is a good summary...
>>
>> http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-42666.html
>>
>> Andrew VK3BFA.
> I started to suspect that he was a troll,

Only after you got done like a dinner time after time after time.

Funny that.
> and you confirmed my suspicions... *sigh*
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  Re: Planned Obselescence....A Good Thing?         


Author: Rod Speed
Date: Jan 15, 2007 17:51

Andrew VK3BFA alphalink.com.au> wrote:
> clare wrote:
>> On 15 Jan 2007 15:07:10 -0800, "lsmartino" gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Rod Speed ha escrito:
>>>
>>
>
> etc etc.
>
> I thought this rod speed "person " was a bit too much, so did a Google
> on [ "Rod Speed" troll.]
>
> Pages of stuff.
>
> This one is a good summary...
>
> http://phorums.com.au/archive/index.php/t-42666.html ...
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  Re: Planned Obselescence....A Good Thing?         


Author: Rod Speed
Date: Jan 15, 2007 17:49

clare at snyder.on.ca wrote
> lsmartino gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Michael Kennedy remthis.comcast.net> wrote
>>>>> Separate matter entirely to the mindlessly silly claim that
>>>>> its even possible to design an appliance to break about a
>>>>> year after the warranty runs out, with most appliances.
>>>> Why do you say it is impossible?
>>> Because it is impossible ? Novel concept I realise.
>> Please explain how the manufacturer of a light bulb, fluorescent lamp
>> or CFL can provide an estimate of the lifetime of the lamp. Don
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