I recently visited Windows Update, which required me to download & install
WGA Validation Tool (KB892130) before proceeding. The only manual WGA Tool I
could find to download was referenced as KB905474 (12-14-2007). Are these two
programs the same? I want to wipe my HD next week & reinstall everything. My
plan is to follow this order: WXP Pro, SP2, MP11, IE7, & SP3, followed by
other programs & finally NIS2008. My problem is that IE7 & MP11 require WGA
validation before allowing installtion. So if I can manually install the
correct WGA Tool, then I'll be fine. Of course, I could wait to install IE7 &
MP11 until after validation, but then I'd lose the SP3-included updates (SP3
updates are geared to the specific versions of the programs in use). Thanks
to anyone who knows -- & shares...

No. The former must be downloaded/installed to be able to use Windows
Update website.

Will the reinstall give you WinXP or WinXP SP2?

Keep this handy:

Updates are not installed successfully from Windows Update, from Microsoft
Update, or by using Automatic Updates after you repair a Windows XP
installation:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/943144

Thanks for your reply, PA Bear. Would you perhaps have a link to a manual
download site for "WGA Validation Tool (KB892130)"? Re: your question, I will
clean-install WXP, followed by a separate install of SP2. If I can obtain the
WGA Tool I'm seeking, then I'll install it next followed by IE7 & MP11. If
not, then I'll go straight to SP3. I do not want to activate (no connections
to the i-Net) until after I've installed NIS 2008, which is why I want to
manually install the WGA Tool.
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Joe Davis

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

PA Bear, since the two tools are different, does that mean I should be able
to use WGA Validation Tool (KB905474) to validate IE7 & MP11 prior to
activating Windows?
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Joe Davis

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote:

You're making this /much/ more complicated than it is.

1) If the reinstall of Windows will give you WinXP Gold, manually install
SP2 first, then SP3; If the reinstall of Windows will give you WinXP SP1,
skip straight to a manual install of SP3.

Download WinXP SP2:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=049c9dbe-3b8e-4f30-8245...

Download WinXP SP3:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=5b33b5a8-5e76-401f-be08...

WinXP SP3 (and SP2) - Read all prerequisites for a successful
installation
http://msmvps.com/blogs/harrywaldron/archive/2008/05/08/windows-xp-sp3-read-all-prerequisites...

2) Now download WMP 11 for manual installation:
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=1d224714-e238-4e45-8668...

NB: Requires Validating but Validating does NOT require installing KB892130
or KB905474!

3) Now install IE7 (which does NOT require Validation). Required reading
IMHO before installing IE7:

PA Bear, I really appreciate your patience & fast response. I didn't mean to
confuse you: my WXP Professional CD does not include SP1, I purchased SP2
from Microsoft, & I downloaded a SP3 ISO & burned it to CD; I didn't mention
all this because it's sort of a red herring to my question(s). I have
downloaded redistributables of most of the stuff I need (e.g., .NET 3.5, .NET
1.1, auxiliary programs, utilities, & the prior mentioned IE7 & MP11. As my
ADSL connection is barely faster than dial-up (all I can get in Udon Thani,
Thailand), I try to maximize my annual rebuild process by minimizing the time
I spend downloading updates. Which brings us back to these points: (a) IE7
(when I did my rebuild last year, IE7 required validation) & MP11 both
require validation prior to install, (b...

You and I discussed most of this when you did your annual rebuild a few
years ago, didn't we? It's either that or I'm having a case of déjà vu.
[And I still don't understand why you bother with these annual rebuilds.
You're not running Win98 anymore.]

1. If you're using the latest installer download, you will not have to
Validate when installing IE7. (Yes, this is a new policy.)

2. If you install IE7 and then install SP3, you will NOT be able to
uninstall the former (should the need arise) without first uninstalling the
latter, hence my recommendation to install SP3 before IE7. See
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2008/05/05/ie-and-xpsp3.aspx

3. AFAIK you only have to Validate when downloading the installer for WMP11.
Check with the experts in microsoft.public.windowsmedia.player newsgroup to
confirm this. Neither KB892130 nor KB905474 have anything to do with this
online Validation, IIRC. [I've stuck with WMP10 here: "If it ain't broke,
don't fix it."]

4a. KB892130 is an ActiveX Control that's ONLY required if you want to use
Windows Update website to check for and install updates; it is NOT required
to use Automatic Updates to keep the machine fully patched.

PS: You're being very foolish if you do not keep the machine fully patched
at all times.

PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote:

Thank you again for your responses. Although your response was a bit
long-winded & littered with judgemental red herrings, I was able to sort out
the information I needed, & yes -- you've helped me to resolve my questions:
IE7 no longer needs validation (I downloaded the latest release [5-06-2008]
to ensure this, MP11 will, & no need to download any WGA Tools for manual
installation. As a fellow Microsoft professional, may I suggest that you
focus less on whether or not I "should" wipe my HD every year & also stay
away from all the extra "do this" & "don't do that" advice. As an MCSE with
five other certs, I am fully aware about keeping my system & programs
patched. I don't like auto-updates, & MP11 is far superior to MP10. The "if
it aint broke don't fix it" attitude started with...

Try responding with positives & not negatives. Foolish? You wrote, "I've
stuck with WMP10 here." Perhaps you don't consider updates as patches.
Anyway, I never said that I don't keep my machine updated; I simply try to
minimize the size of my updates by manually installing what I can up front.
Btw, MP11's validation has nothing to do w/downloading the installer; once
you click on the installer, a validation-required screen pops up.
--
Joe Davis

"PA Bear [MS MVP]" wrote: