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Why didn't OneNote 2007 get the new ribbon style toolbar?         


Author: Dave
Date: Sep 2, 2007 06:36

It still looks like the old version.
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Re: Why didn't OneNote 2007 get the new ribbon style toolbar?         


Author: Rainald Taesler
Date: Sep 2, 2007 07:59

Dave wrote:
> It still looks like the old version.

The new "Ribbon" interface was not implemented for Office 2007
throughout. Only certain core applications come with the new design
(Word, Excel, PowerPoint). Others like Project, Visio and ON do not have
it. And even for Outlook it was only partly implemented (not in the main
window, only in the Word-based editor).

AFAICS the reason were just time, money and manpower.
IMHO it was a good decision to concentrate on the new features in On2007
(which are fantastic, although quite some urgently needed things are
missing) instead of polishing up the GUI.

And - honestly speaking - I'm not sad that ON2007 does not come with the
Ribbon design. Just costs too much screen real estate, especially on
TabletPCs where screen resources are limited.

Rainald
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Re: Why didn't OneNote 2007 get the new ribbon style toolbar?         


Author: John Waller
Date: Sep 2, 2007 13:37

I don't think OneNote needs the ribbon at this stage.

The 2007 ribbon is not merely for aesthetics. It tries to solve the UI
problem of "so many commands, too hard to find" in menus, taskpanes and
toolbars.

Word had something like 1,500 commands which have now been rearranged to be
easy to find and in one place (once you break your nearly 20 year old
habits).

I think the menus and toolbars approach still works OK for OneNote 2007
while it's in its "Word 2.0" incarnation (circa 1992).

Doubtless the need for the ribbon will arrive soon, if for no other reason
than consistency across the Office suite.

--
Regards

John Waller
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Re: Why didn't OneNote 2007 get the new ribbon style toolbar?         


Author: Rainald Taesler
Date: Sep 3, 2007 22:27

John Waller wrote:
> I don't think OneNote needs the ribbon at this stage.

Agreed.
> The 2007 ribbon is not merely for aesthetics.

No.
As any part of a GUI even the "Ribbon" provide a certain kind of
functionality.

Rainald
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Re: Why didn't OneNote 2007 get the new ribbon style toolbar?         


Author: Josh Einstein
Date: Sep 8, 2007 08:50

OneNote definitely needs the ribbon. Try using it on a 1024x768 Tablet PC in
portrait mode or (god forbid) a UMPC. There's way too many commands to
realistically fit on the screen. Besides, the old CommandBar technology is
really ugly and dated looking. The way they "stack" against each other is
really unintuitive and you can't get it just right unless you never resize
the window or change screen resolution, cause then it starts adapting really
poorly.

If you ask me, I'd rather have the ribbon in OneNote before Outlook!

--
Josh Einstein (Tablet PC MVP)
Einstein Technologies
Tablet Enhancements for Outlook - Try it free: www.tabletoutlook.com
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Re: Why didn't OneNote 2007 get the new ribbon style toolbar?         


Author: John Waller
Date: Sep 8, 2007 15:59

That's great but there are only 150 or so commands there in very logical groupings of up to 10 or more commands and quite easy to find quickly; roughly the setup of Word 2.0 or 3.0.

The ribbon rearranged 1500+ commands in Word and Excel after 20 years of development.I don't think this level of complexity exists in OneNote yet.

Sure it could be improved and now that the ribbon has been invented, everyone's expecting it in every Microsoft product.

As I said previously, I'm sure the ribbon is coming to OneNote soon and I really look forward to it.

But, for me, it's definitely not a priority yet and the OneNote 2007 ribbon would have noticeable blank space.

I can find every command I need very quickly in the dated toolbars and dropdowns of ON2007 as it stands now which was not the case with Word or Excel 2003.

Nevertheless: Bring on the Ribbon!

--
Regards

John Waller
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Re: Why didn't OneNote 2007 get the new ribbon style toolbar?         


Author: Hector C.
Date: Sep 8, 2007 21:09

Instead of the ribbon, programmable keyboard shortcuts is a better
answer. Include programmable combos with the mouse and keyboard and you
get a killer. Say you are using the pen and want to change to pointer, a
Shift+Click would be nice for some people; others might prefer Alt+Right
Click. A program like ON is used (very) frequently so we don't need all
of the commands in our face. We need to quicken the usage of the ones we
use the most (and they vary per user, thus they must be programmable
shortcuts). The ribbon (1) takes my hands back to the mouse, and (2)
still require more clicks than keyboard shortcuts.

++Hector C.

John Waller wrote:
> That's great but there are only 150 or so commands there in very
> logical groupings of up to 10 or more commands and quite easy to find
> quickly; roughly the setup of Word 2.0...
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Re: Why didn't OneNote 2007 get the new ribbon style toolbar?         


Author: fredpowledge
Date: Sep 9, 2007 07:45

On Sep 9, 12:09 am, "Hector C." yahoo.com> wrote:
> Instead of the ribbon, programmable keyboard shortcuts is a better
> answer. Include programmable combos with the mouse and keyboard and you
> get a killer. Say you are using the pen and want to change to pointer, a
> Shift+Click would be nice for some people; others might prefer Alt+Right
> Click. A program like ON is used (very) frequently so we don't need all
> of the commands in our face. We need to quicken the usage of the ones we
> use the most (and they vary per user, thus they must be programmable
> shortcuts). The ribbon (1) takes my hands back to the mouse, and (2)
> still require more clicks than keyboard shortcuts.
>
> ++Hector C.
>
> John Waller wrote:
>> That's great but there are only 150 or so commands there in very
>> logical groupings of up to 10 or more commands and quite easy to find
>> quickly; roughly the setup of Word 2.0 or 3.0.
>
>> The ribbon rearranged 1500+ commands in Word and Excel after 20 years
>> of development.I don't think this level of complexity exists in ...
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Re: Why didn't OneNote 2007 get the new ribbon style toolbar?         


Author: Josh Einstein
Date: Sep 9, 2007 22:57

1) (Hector) Keyboard shortcuts are useless to Tablet PC users that represent
a large portion of OneNote users. The ribbon is far better for pen use than
the command bar, plus the ribbon commands could be shortcut driven as well.

2) (Fred) OneNote will eventually get the ribbon like all the Office apps
will I'm sure. I guess it's a personal choice but most people seem to love
the ribbon and the "space hog" claims are usually not true when you consider
that many people have at least two rows of command bars in Word or Excel.

--
Josh Einstein (Tablet PC MVP)
Einstein Technologies
Tablet Enhancements for Outlook - Try it free: www.tabletoutlook.com

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> On Sep 9, 12:09 am, "Hector C." yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Instead of the ribbon, programmable...
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Re: Why didn't OneNote 2007 get the new ribbon style toolbar?         


Author: John Waller
Date: Sep 10, 2007 02:19

Fred, I suspect the appearance of the ribbon in OneNote is inevitable in
future versions.

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Regards

John Waller
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